Mr. Hubert.

What was Jack's occupation on the west coast?

Mrs. Grant.

He got a newspaper crew--sometimes he worked for the Call Bulletin, which is a famous Hearst paper, the Examiner, and sometimes he gave us the crew and he worked for the there was a news--it was called the San Francisco News and sometimes we worked for the Chronicle. You see, there is a system----

Mr. Hubert.

Well, when you say you worked for them, in what capacity?

Mrs. Grant.

We solicited for subscriptions door to door. It was during the height of the depression.

Mr. Hubert.

This was sort of a door-to-door operation that you and he had, was it?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, he was a better salesman. He was always guiding me, you know, let me put it this way--there was good money, in it considering the times, because they were paying 90 cents an order and we would go out and get 8 or 10 or 15 orders a day, which you couldn't get in any other job, and our obligations were great. My son's expenses were $65 a month and my brother helped support half of the fellows that didn't work who wouldn't do this.

Mr. Hubert.

When you say your "brother" you mean Jack?

Mrs. Grant.

I mean Jack--Jack was the only one out there.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you leave California?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, I married Frank Grant in San Francisco in 1936, and think we stayed around another year or a year and a half.

Mr. Hubert.

But did you still reside with Jack then after you married?

Mrs. Grant.

For a while he did--yes, he did.

Mr. Hubert.

He lived with you?

Mrs. Grant.

We had a four-room apartment and my son was home then with us.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Jack have any other occupations during the time you were on the west coast other than that which you have described?

Mrs. Grant.

I don't remember out there anything but for the newspapers, you know, and first he came to Los Angeles and he nearly starved to death. He became a singing waiter and someone told him--well, he said he was on his way to San Francisco but I think he didn't have enough money or gas to get there--to San Francisco.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you subsequently divorced from Frank Grant?

Mrs. Grant.

Now--I'm divorced many years.

Mr. Hubert.

Yes, ma'am; that's what I wanted to get. When were you divorced?

Mrs. Grant.

I think I filed in 194.

Mr. Hubert.

But you left the west coast about what--1937?

Mrs. Grant.

No, I didn't. I went down to Los Angeles with Frank Grant and I lived there. I may have went home on a trip to Chicago, which I did very often.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you leave the west coast permanently?

Mrs. Grant.

I think it was after the war broke out.

Mr. Hubert.

When did Jack leave the west coast?

Mrs. Grant.

He already left.

Mr. Hubert.

About what year, do you remember?

Mrs. Grant.

He may have left before 1940, but you see, he came back so many times and he and a fellow by the name of Harry Epstein started to sell premium items--a cedar chest with candy, if I remember, and they developed a company--I think it was called the Spartan Co.--the Spartan Novelty Co.

Mr. Hubert.

That was Jack and this fellow Epstein?

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember any of these other friends?

Mrs. Grant.

Who do you want me to remember?

Mr. Hubert.

I don't know--you see---you must tell me.

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, you asked me listen, I know all the fellows we knew in Chicago and went to school with and grew up with.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, perhaps you could name some of them that you remember.