Mr. Ruby.

Because at the time when he said he had been talking--that Jack made a statement, Jack, he is the one who said Jack told him 2 days before at 4 o'clock, I think the time was, that he stated, that Jack told him that he was going to get Oswald.
At that time Jack was at home with Eva, so Jack couldn't have made that statement to him, and, of course, this has been brought out in the petition or motion for a new trial, so it is in the official record, so to say.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, when Jack talked to you the first night after, or after the first police officer testified, was that first police officer Sergeant Dean, or was that another police officer?

Mr. Ruby.

No; that was another police officer. Dean was the last police officer, if I recall correctly.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack tell you what he did say?

Mr. Ruby.

No; but he said he never made those statements.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack----

Mr. Ruby.

He repeated it several times on different occasions. lie said, "I never made that--any of those statements and I know how Wade operates. He is going to send me to the chair. Now I know what he has got in mind."

Mr. Griffin.

Let the record reflect that I am going to give you a copy which we have made of your three-page statement which you have entered into the record and which is marked as Exhibit No. 2, and also a copy of Exhibit No. 1 which we have marked.

Mr. Ruby.

You are giving that back to me because I have a copy of Exhibit No. 1.

Mr. Griffin.

You can have that copy back.

Mr. Ruby.

OK.

Mr. Griffin.

Are there any other matters that you think ought to be covered that we haven't covered?

Mr. Ruby.

No; I can't think of any. I think we have covered them all.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you one last question which I started to ask some hours ago.

That is this: Between the time you first saw Jack in Dallas, and the last time you saw him in Dallas, what changes did you see in him, if any?

Mr. Ruby.

I think as I stated, he lost probably 25 or 80 pounds, and he couldn't seem to grasp or understand conversations or questions. I have talked to him many times on the phone since then, and he still thinks--in fact as of now, he don't even think I am alive. He thinks they killed me and my family, my children.

Mr. Griffin.

When you first saw him in Dallas did he have these did you have any trouble communicating with him, did he show any lack of understanding when you first saw him?

Mr. Ruby.

No, no; it wasn't--yes; I must change that. There was a slight hesitancy on his part to understand questions that I put to him. He would shake his head when I would ask him questions sometimes and as though he didn't understand, and these were just ordinary questions of routine matters, just about the trial or Belli. We discussed Belli, and he said, even at the beginning there he said, "They don't talk to me. Why don't they talk to me longer," and yet Belli was there for hours.

Mr. Griffin.

This wasn't the very first time you saw him. This was on an occasion later?

Mr. Ruby.

That is right. It had to be later.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. I have nothing more. And if you have nothing more I want to thank you very much for taking this time for us.

Mr. Ruby.

I hope I can help you and I hope you can help us.

Mr. Griffin.

We want to assemble all the facts that we possibly can and prepare a report that will be as fair and as impartial as can be.

Mr. Ruby.

You want me to cheek on that professor at Northwestern University, correct?

Mr. Griffin.

And if you would give us the names of those employees.

Mr. Ruby.

The list I have on that. I can possibly get the information as to where my brother received the psychiatric treatment when he was about 10 years old. Do you want me to send that to you?