Mr. Crafard.

I don't understand what you mean by that.

Mr. Hubert.

You saw Jack being nervous. You saw him taking all these pictures. You saw his great concern about the death of the President. Didn't it occur to you, and isn't it a fact that. the reason you had left was because you figured that you didn't want to have any part of anything that was going on, although you didn't know what was going on? Isn't that a fact?

Mr. Crafard.

No. I cannot say that it is, because I had no idea there was anything going on, period.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there anything about Jack that indicated to you a peculiar concern about the death of the President, that the death of the President itself was some sort of a concern, a great concern to him more than it seemed to be to you or to Andy or anybody else?

Mr. Crafard.

It seemed to me more like it was more of a personal effect on him than it did on anybody else that I talked to very much.

Mr. Griffin.

What do you mean by that?

Mr. Crafard.

I can't really explain it. To me, I was shocked and everything, but it wasn't like it had been a member, .more or less, say, a member of my own family. With him, it hit him more like it had been a member of his own family, it seemed to.

Mr. Griffin.

There was something he said in that connection?

Mr. Crafard.

I think he said something, but I don't recall what he said.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you this: Were you present when Jack learned that Officer Tippit had been shot?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe so. I'm not sure. I think Jack was at the club or come to the club just shortly afterward.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember Jack's talking about Officer Tippit?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; I think he said he knew him.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack talk a lot about the death of the President?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't believe any more than anybody else did.

Mr. Griffin.

How about Officer Tippit? Did he talk about that?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I don't recall as he said much about it other than the fact that he said he knew him.

Mr. Griffin.

You indicated yesterday that you felt Jack's concern over the death of the President was related to his concern for the convention business in Dallas. You remarked about his saying this is going to ruin the convention business.

Mr. Crafard.

Something to that effect. That was one of the first things he said, but that was the only time he referred to it that I can recall.

Mr. Griffin.

As you look at his activities, do you think that his concern or what had happened down in Dallas, meaning the death of the President and perhaps even the death of Officer Tippit, that Jack's concern might have been more related to his fear about what would be happening to his business rather than any sympathy and grief over the man himself?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I can't say that he did. I mean it seems to me like if a man was really concerned about his business he wouldn't have closed Friday night like he did. It seems to me like something like that--you know what I mean?

Mr. Griffin.

But, again, that is an impression you are drawing from some sort of outside event?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

I am asking you to look at just what Jack was talking about and ,the things that he seemed to be concerned with and occupied with after the death of the President.
Were they things, was his conversation mostly about the President, or was it mostly about the things that he had to do in Dallas?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe it was mostly about the President, as near as I can recall.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you talk with him at the Carousel about the President?

Mr. Crafard.

Oh, while he was there the first time we was talking about it. I'm trying to recall there was something said there when he said something