Mr. Griffin.

You said that we were skipping ahead, I think.

Mr. Hubert.

I think the last thing you were talking about before we diverted into these other aspects was that you said you had nothing to lose.

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; that is right, so that evening we went to see Belli.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did you see Belli?

Mr. Ruby.

In a home a used home he had recently purchased in L.A.

Mr. Hubert.

Was an appointment made by them to see him?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; oh, yes. I think it was 7 o'clock, if I am not mistaken, that evening.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did they call Belli? Where was Belli when they called him to make the appointment.

Mr. Ruby.

In L.A. from what they told me.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; but do you know whether he was at his house or in an office or in a hotel or in a cocktail lounge or where he might have been?

Mr. Ruby.

I don't recall. I don't remember.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you present when they called to make the appointment?

Mr. Ruby.

I don't remember that, either.

Mr. Hubert.

So we are at the point that you do go to see Belli.

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

I think this is a good breaking point for lunch.

Mr. Griffin.

Maybe.
(Whereupon, at 1:10 p.m., the proceeding was recessed.)

Testimony of Earl Ruby Resumed

Mr. Griffin.

The proceeding reconvened at 2:30 p.m.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me state for the record that as we resume this deposition that I presume you understand that the oath you took this morning with Mr. Hubert and all the formalities which you went through still pertain to this hearing.
You are still under oath and we will continue in the same fashion that we did before.
If there are any questions about it why you are free to say anything.
We were talking, it seems to me, that we got you to the point where you had just met Mr. Belli.

Mr. Ruby.

Belli, that is right.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, I wanted to confine your attention from here on in to certain narrow aspects of your dealings in Los Angeles, and that is your efforts to find financing for Jack's trial and what the actual financing of the trial is.
Can you tell us, first of all, whether prior to seeing Belli, that day that you were in Los Angeles, you talked to Mr. Shore and Mr. Woodfield at all about the financing of the trial?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; I told them we had to raise money, and I told them Howard gave me a figure of anywhere from $25,000 to $50,000, and I asked them about how much they thought they could obtain from a story, and they said they couldn't promise 50 but 30, 35, I think that was the figure that Woodfield used.

Mr. Griffin.

Would that be the gross figure or would that be what your brother would have ultimately had available from the entire sum for his defense?

Mr. Ruby.

That was the figure, the net figure my brother would have left over after they took their commissions and percentage, and the agent's fee and all of that.

Mr. Griffin.

How many people were to share in the proceeds from the sale, beside Jack?

Mr. Ruby.

Woodfield, William Woodfield. Larry Shiller, the agent, and then they in turn said they would pay commissions to sales people. I don't know who those were, of coarse.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, this first day in Los Angeles----

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Prior to meeting Belli and your talk with them, did you discuss how long the article or biography would be and where it would be published and other details such as that?