Mr. Griffin.

About how many times a year would he go other than on high holidays?

Mr. Ruby.

This goes back so many years. You know he has been away more or less from me for 17 years now, so it is pretty hard to remember. And you know he is not the only one in the family. We still have six more children. I can't even remember all their birthdays, remembering who went where on holidays.

Mr. Griffin.

If you don't have a specific recollection, I don't want to ask you the question, then. Let's go back to the 22d, 23d, and the 24th. Do you recall what you did on Saturday, the 23d?

Mr. Ruby.

I think I went to work, the usual time, probably 7:30, and probably worked until 6 o'clock. Saturday is a busy day for us, and probably went home so far as I know.

Mr. Griffin.

You used the word "probably." Are you indicating that you don't really have any specific recollection of what you did that Saturday?

Mr. Ruby.

I would say I probably went home, but I am not sure. I would have to check with my wife to make sure. I don't think we went out, because we were in deep mourning.

Mr. Griffin.

You were, or you were not?

Mr. Ruby.

I said we were.

Mr. Griffin.

You were in deep mourning?

Mr. Ruby.

So I don't think we would have gone any place.

Mr. Griffin.

What do you mean when you said you were in deep mourning?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, we cried a lot in our family when this happened, I mean actual tears.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you tell us when this happened? Can you describe to us where and when and who was present? What was happening around you?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, I don't know exactly what our--but I know after this happened, probably on Friday night, my wife was definitely in tears at that time, and I was, too. We both greatly admired him. In fact, my wife on many occasions, even before the incident, she just loved him. There was nobody greater than President Kennedy. She made a statement many times.

Mr. Griffin.

Are you both registered Democrats?

Mr. Ruby.

I was a Democrat all my life. In fact, I worked for the Democratic headquarters in Chicago many years ago. All our family has been Democrats all our lives, as far as I can remember.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall what you did Sunday morning?

Mr. Ruby.

On the 26th? Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

The 24th.

Mr. Ruby.

The 24th. We needed some electrical work done at the plant, and the only time to do it without interfering with production was to have it done on Sunday morning. So I had the electrician come in on Sunday, and I met him there, I think, about 10 o'clock probably, Sunday morning, at the plant to do this work, and I was there until---I just wanted .to get them started, and I had one of my other employees there to watch things, you know, because we had an outside contractor, electrical contractor here to do the work, and there is a lot of clothing there and we wanted to be careful if they worked on the ceiling that they didn't drop dirt on the clothing and so forth.
So I left. I was there maybe 2 hours, I don't remember, anyhow I wasn't in the car but 5 minutes or so driving one of the other employees--another employee who stopped in home I was en route to drive him home. We had the radio tuned in. That is when I heard--no, before I left this Mike Nemzin, who is my best friend, and his brother is my partner, he was in the hospital with an operation----

Mr. Griffin.

The brother or Mike Nemzin?

Mr. Ruby.

Mike Nemzin. He had some kind of surgery on his ribs or something, a very serious one, though, and so I thought I would call him to see how he was.
So I called him Sunday morning, it must have been about 12 o'clock, from the plant, I was at the plant, mind you, and as I am talking to him, he is in his bed in the hospital, he is watching television or radio and he says to me, "I can't talk to you. Somebody just shot Oswald," he says.