Mr. Ruby.

In Chicago. I think the reason I called then is because George, his brother, told me he was very sick.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you call him?

Mr. Ruby.

I don't recall. Probably at his place of business.

Mr. Hubert.

Does he have any connection or have ally home or business at a place called Walled Lake, Mich.?

Mr. Ruby.

Are you speaking of Mike Nemzin?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Ruby.

No; not that I know of.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know anyone in Walled Lake, Mich.?

Mr. Ruby.

No. We have customers there, but I don't know them personally.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you recall any calls to this place, Walled Lake, Mich.?

Mr. Ruby.

No; but since we have customers there, I might have called and we make so many calls to any of our customers at any given time.

Mr. Hubert.

Would anybody else in your plant be making such calls?

Mr. Ruby.

Oh, yes. We have a girl that does practically nothing but call customers, for many different reasons, you know. Sometimes they send in a garment and there is a hole in it.

Mr. Hubert.

Is Walled Lake near Detroit?

Mr. Ruby.

Oh, yes; very close.

Mr. Hubert.

But you do have customers that come from that far?

Mr. Ruby.

Oh, sure.

Mr. Hubert.

What contacts have you had with the Denver-Chicago Trucking Co. in Denver?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, they are the people that shipped the tools and dies and the punch press to take the plates to my brother-in-law Schwartz in New York, and on route they dropped the press and broke it in half, and so I had many conversations with them before I could get a settlement out of them. So I called them several times.

Mr. Hubert.

What about a man by the name of Barney Rothenberg?

Mr. Ruby.

What is his first name?

Mr. Hubert.

Barney.

Mr. Ruby.

It doesn't register with me.

Mr. Hubert.

Or Horace Settersfield or Dettersfield.

Mr. Ruby.

Delderfield.

Mr. Hubert.

Delderfield?

Mr. Ruby.

He is my landlord. I lease his home, or rent a home from him.

Mr. Hubert.

Where does he live?

Mr. Ruby.

He lives in California.

Mr. Hubert.

What business is he in?

Mr. Ruby.

He is retired, as far as I know In fact, I have never seen him. I rent through his agent, but I send my checks to him.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you have had occasion to call him?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What was that about and when was it approximately?

Mr. Ruby.

Gee, this was right after I moved in there, last fall, probably September, around in there. When we first rented the place, we wanted to know if it was all right to decorate, and I think that is why I called him.

Mr. Hubert.

Coming back to---go ahead.

Mr. Ruby.

I called him for another reason, also. Well, I had to call him and talk about the lease. See, I was taking over, subleasing from the people that were in there before me, so I think I talked to him once or twice.

Mr. Hubert.

Coming back to Barney Rothenberg, does it help you any if I suggest that he lives on Genessee Street in Pontiac, Mich.?

Mr. Ruby.

No; now, we go Pontiac. Our trucks go to Pontiac. I don't remember Calling him.

Mr. Hubert.

Would it be a possibility, then, that that is a customer?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, what about a man by the name of Sidney Jaffe, who lives in Seattle, Wash.?

Mr. Ruby.

Sidney Jaffe?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.