Mr. Hubert.

What is that corporation? What do they do?

Mr. Ruby.

They do finishing on greeting cards. Some of their work is called flocking, and they put that glittery substance on greeting cards and things of that sort, and they also do silk screen work.

Mr. Hubert.

And what was your interest in those products?

Mr. Ruby.

That is my brother-in-law.

Mr. Hubert.

That is your brother-in-law?

Mr. Ruby.

That is the same Elliott Schwartz that you brought up about. That is the company he owns. I mean that is my brother-in- law on the wife's side.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know an organization or corporation, perhaps just a company, called the James Welch Co.?

Mr. Ruby.

James Welch? No.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you comment on what knowledge you have of an organization called the Ypsilanti Buffing Co.

Mr. Ruby.

Never heard of it.

Mr. Hubert.

What about the Public Vending Co.? Do you know of that organization?

Mr. Ruby.

No. Are they in Detroit?

Mr. Hubert.

I don't know.

Mr. Ruby.

I don't know. It doesn't register at all.

Mr. Hubert.

What about the Troy Plating Co.?

Mr. Ruby.

When I was Earl Products, I used to have so many plating companies to do work for us. Is this a Chicago concern would you know?

Mr. Hubert.

I don't know.

Mr. Ruby.

I don't recall that name.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you had any contact with an organization called the General Scientific Corp.?

Mr. Ruby.

Oh, General Scientific? Yes. I think that is the company we used to buy lenses from for our camera, little glass lenses, if I am not mistaken.

Mr. Hubert.

Coming back to the Troy Plating Co. in Chicago, do you recall having occasion to have called them from Detroit on October 21?

Mr. Ruby.

Let me see, Troy Plating? What did I call them for? Yes, yes, yes; I know what it is. I think I know what it is now.
In our cleaning operation we have a liner, a copper liner. It is a 'large basket, very large, probably 30 inches in diameter and overall length of about 4 feet, and it was corroded and the corrosion was coming off on some of our cleaning, and I couldn't seem to find anyone in Detroit to plate it. It was just an odd shape. And so I called, I think that is the reason I called Troy Plating, to see if they could do it. However, I finally located somebody in Detroit to plate it.

Mr. Hubert.

Your testimony is that that was the occasion for calling the Troy Co.

Mr. Ruby.

I can't think of any other reason.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, what about the Dixie Seal and Stamp Co. in Atlanta?

Mr. Ruby.

When I took over the nameplate business, that is back from Oliff, the fellow I had sold it to, Earl Products, and I received a few small orders for plates, nameplates, and it was foolish to set up my complete operation for just a few orders, and I knew that Dixie Seal and Stamp made a very similar item. So rather than my setting up the whole operation to make the few, I had them make it for me, and so I called them and talked to them on a few occasions, and they did make some for me.

Mr. Hubert.

What about the Berger Products Co.?

Mr. Ruby.

Berger? Where are they located? That doesn't strike a bell.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't recall that?

Mr. Ruby.

No. I make so many calls it is hard to remember all of them. But that doesn't strike a bell.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you have already mentioned your relationship with Mike Nemzin.

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; one of my very close friends, and his brother is my partner.

Mr. Hubert.

Apparently you called him on November 14. Do you recall that conversation?

Mr. Ruby.

November the 14th. I could have called him November 14.

Mr. Hubert.

Where does he live?