Mr. Hubert.

Now, the family remained more or less as a unit, I gather it is your testimony, until the war came.

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, yes. Before the war Jack lived in San Francisco for awhile.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did he live there, do you know?

Mr. Ruby.

It would be a few years. I don't know exactly.

Mr. Hubert.

I think he went there with your sister.

Mr. Ruby.

That is right, sir; and he was working for a newspaper selling subscriptions.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know why they went out to the west coast?

Mr. Ruby.

No; I don't.

Mr. Hubert.

It was just Eva and Jack?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Had the other girls married by then?

Mr. Ruby.

I think one sister was married. I think my sister Ann was married by then.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you ever, yourself, been convicted of any felony?

Mr. Ruby.

No; never.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have any business dealings at all with Jack prior to 1933, that is to say, prior to the time you moved to the west coast?

Mr. Ruby.

Business dealings? No; because I was going to school then. I was in grammar school and high school.

Mr. Hubert.

In 1933 actually you were 18.

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; I was in high school.

Mr. Hubert.

What about your business associations with Jack after his return from the west coast, until you went into the service? Did you have any?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes. We worked together for, oh, I think maybe a year. He and another fellow, I think his name is Harry Epstein, organized the Spartan Novelty Co., which has been out of business for many years.

Mr. Hubert.

Was that a corporation?

Mr. Ruby.

No; it was just a small company, very.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you a part of it then, or did you become a part of it?

Mr. Ruby.

No; I was only an employee. I worked with them.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the business of that company?

Mr. Ruby.

It was selling cedar chests with candy and punchcards.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did that business last?

Mr. Ruby.

Only until, I worked with them only until the war broke out, because I came back. I was working with them--right after the war broke out December 7, then February--some time in February--I enlisted in the Sea-bees of the Navy, and then I went into the service, and when I came out of the service, my other three brothers were still in, and I started up the same type of business, cedar chests with candy.

Mr. Hubert.

This Spartan Novelty Co. was really prior to the war then?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And it lasted how many years?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, I only worked for them about a year.

Mr. Hubert.

Is Epstein still living?

Mr. Ruby.

Still living? Oh, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Where?

Mr. Ruby.

In Chicago.

Mr. Hubert.

What business is he in?

Mr. Ruby.

He sells, manufactures and sells--what would you call that--I think onyx desk sets. I did have business dealings then. Do you want me to go on now?

Mr. Hubert.

I wanted to ask you about a trip that I think you took to Seattle in 1941. Do you remember that?

Mr. Ruby.

Seattle?

Mr. Hubert.

Washington; yes.

Mr. Ruby.

Seattle in 1941. In 1942 in the service, 1942.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, you did go to Seattle?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, because I went through the Seabees. I was in the Seabees, and we shoved off from Bremerton, Wash., which, as you know, is right across the bay from Seattle. That is the only time I remember being there.