Mrs. Rich.

courses and could have graduated. But I was too smart, and knew everything.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you had any other type of training?

Mrs. Rich.

Depending on what you mean--formal education--meaning book learning?

Mr. Hubert.

Well, yes.

Mrs. Rich.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Or other types of training, such as stenography?

Mrs. Rich.

IBM, and police investigation.

Mr. Hubert.

What about the IBM aspect? Did you study that?

Mrs. Rich.

I made a misquotation. It would be Remington Rand, actually.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you study?

Mrs. Rich.

Not with Remington Rand as a company. For Craftsman Life and Health Insurance Co. of Boston.

Mr. Hubert.

You worked there?

Mrs. Rich.

I did.

Mr. Hubert.

And studied the operation of Remington Rand machines there?

Mrs. Rich.

That is correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you tell us the name of some of the people you worked with there?

Mrs. Rich.

Oh, you are going back too far, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Where was that place located?

Mrs. Rich.

On Boylston Street.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember the name of the manager?

Mrs. Rich.

It may sound odd--whether this name has stuck in my mind or not--but it seems to me his name is Griffin, too. I may be wrong.

Mr. Hubert.

How long were you there?

Mrs. Rich.

Oh, probably 6 months.

Mr. Hubert.

That was after you married?

Mrs. Rich.

Oh, no. No--in fact, I was working there when I met Musachio. That was back in 1958.

Mr. Hubert.

I see. You had divorced your first husband?

Mrs. Rich.

That is correct.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you mentioned something else besides IBM.

Mrs. Rich.

Police investigation.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, where did you learn that?

Mrs. Rich.

From various police organizations, district attorney's offices.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you name them, please?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes; some with the Boston Police Department.

Mr. Hubert.

Who did you work with?

Mrs. Rich.

We called him Papa McGill. Sergeant McGill, and John Dinatele, I believe.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you work there?

Mrs. Rich.

Well, I was a young kid, and didn't have any brains. I blew a case, and that was it.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you paid?

Mrs. Rich.

At that time; no.

Mr. Hubert.

Your answer suggests that at a later time you were paid.

Mrs. Rich.

That is correct.

Mr. Hubert.

With the same department?

Mrs. Rich.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, with what police department?

Mrs. Rich.

With the district attorney's office of Sacramento.

Mr. Hubert.

California?

Mrs. Rich.

That is correct.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you work there?

Mrs. Rich.

Well, this wasn't a question of working. I worked as needed, or as a case came up. I Worked for Mr. Oscar Kistle, Chief Deputy District Attorney, who as of this January is now a judge.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you work with anybody else there?

Mrs. Rich.

I worked with the Hayward Police Department, in California.

Mr. Hubert.

Who did you work with there?

Mrs. Rich.

Lieutenant--I can't remember his name.