Mrs. Rich.

at the time he was arrested. Another one was of a release signed by a Teniente Enriquez, which would be a lieutenant here, at the Madrid Secreto Servicio.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you better spell all that out, because you are using a foreign language, and I am not sure that the reporter can get it except by the sound.

Mrs. Rich.

All right. To clarify this, it was written in Spanish. I will quote it in English. "An article list, signed by Lieutenant Enriquez."

Mr. Hubert.

That is his last name?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes; a release signed by someone in the Secret Service, which is comparable to our detective system on a city police force.

Mr. Hubert.

It was a lease of what?

Mrs. Rich.

A release.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you talk to him about these documents?

Mrs. Rich.

He seemed quite proud of the fact.

Mr. Hubert.

I gather from that that you did talk to him about it?

Mrs. Rich.

I did. Quite frankly, I asked him what in the heck it was all about. At that time, he claimed, he said, "Well, you won't believe me. I wasn't making it up." He claimed he ran guns and used to pilot a small boat.

Mr. Hubert.

Ran guns where?

Mrs. Rich.

Into Spain, for Franco.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember the date of that document? Did it have any date on it?

Mrs. Rich.

I would say it was in the late thirties, I wouldn't be sure, late thirties or early forties. It was either Just prior to him going into the United States Army or after he was released. Now, I cannot be sure on that.

Mr. Hubert.

You think that it could not have been earlier than, say, 1935?

Mrs. Rich.

No, it could not have.

Mr. Hubert.

Why are you sure of that?

Mrs. Rich.

For the simple reason he was born in 1920. It couldn't have been much prior to 1935. It was either late thirties or early forties. Again, I would like to, for the record, state that my husband was a writer.

Mr. Hubert.

You are talking about Perrin now?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes. And had a vivid imagination, as most writers do. Whether or not these were authentic documents, I don't know.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he die a natural death?

Mrs. Rich.

Suicide. The coroner's report was arsenic. I also would like to state for the record at this time after my husband's death the Veterans' Administration Hospital, I believe it is the one in Denver, that finally came up with the report, came up with the report that my husband was discharged from the service for hysteria, and had a history of mental disturbance.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you living with him at the time he died?

Mrs. Rich.

I was.

Mr. Hubert.

You state to us now that the coroner's report in New Orleans, I suppose----

Mrs. Rich.

That is correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Showed that his death was caused by arsenic voluntarily consumed, right?

Mrs. Rich.

That is correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, you lived part of the time that you were married to Perrin in Dallas, did you not?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes. Why I am hesitant--I would like to clarify that statement. I went to Dallas seeking Mr, Perrin. He had left me.

Mr. Hubert.

Where were you living when he left you?

Mrs. Rich.

We were living in Belmont, Mass.

Mr. Hubert.

What address?

Mrs. Rich.

No. 11 Holden Road.

Mr. Hubert.

How long after he left you did you seek him out in Dallas?

Mrs. Rich.

I was in New Hampshire with the state legislature at the time. I was doing public relations. And I had just obtained a Job, a position for him, and I telephoned to Massachusetts to tell him to come on down, and there was no answer. And I had a feeling that something was wrong. So I hightailed it back to Massachusetts, and there was a note.. And the note said that he was going to