Mrs. Rich.

Well, he claimed to have worked for Jack Dragna, presently residing at San Quentin.

Mr. Hubert.

That is to say he is in the penitentiary?

Mrs. Rich.

That is correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know for what offense?

Mrs. Rich.

Income tax evasion, I suppose. I don't know for sure.

Mr. Hubert.

All right.

Mrs. Rich.

Let me state at this time that half of what I am about to say--I am sorry--all of what I am about to say is hearsay. Half, I believe.

Mr. Hubert.

We understand that. You are telling us what he told you he had done in the past, but that you don't know for sure whether it is true.

Mrs. Rich.

That is correct. But I want that in the record. That he did everything from handle Dragna's call girls to be a heavy, so to speak.

Mr. Hubert.

What do you mean by a heavy?

Mrs. Rich.

Well, bodyguard.

Mr. Hubert.

Bodyguard for whom?

Mrs. Rich.

Jack Dragna, and various subsequent members, shall we say, of the organization that used to come into California.

Mr. Hubert.

What organization was that?

Mrs. Rich.

Call it by what you will--syndicate, Mafia.

Mr. Hubert.

Who were some of the people involved?

Mrs. Rich.

I could not tell you. I do know that he mentioned that he personally knew Mickey Cohen and Virginia Hill.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't know any other names?

Mrs. Rich.

Jimmy Gilreath.

Mr. Hubert.

Would G-i-l-r-e-a-t-h be about right?

Mrs. Rich.

I would assume so.

Mr. Hubert.

So what you are telling us is that your former husband, now deceased, Robert Perrin, had told you that among other things he acted as bodyguard for certain members of a syndicate, as you call it, and you have named, I think, four people who belonged to the syndicate.

Mrs. Rich.

Supposedly, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And what was the syndicate about, from what you learned from your husband?

Mrs. Rich.

Well, everything from prostitution to illegal gambling to narcotics.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, all of this you know by hearsay alone?

Mrs. Rich.

By hearsay alone.

Mr. Hubert.

I ask you that question because a moment ago you said that half of what you said was hearsay.

Mrs. Rich.

That is correct.

Mr. Hubert.

And I assume that the other half was not.

Mrs. Rich.

I do know this, that he claimed that he ran guns--this was years ago, when Franco was coming into power. I do know this to be a fact, because he spent time in jail there.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did he spend time in jail?

Mrs. Rich.

In Spain. I do know he fought for both sides, as a professional soldier.

Mr. Hubert.

When you say you know that, I take it that you mean that he told you so.

Mrs. Rich.

No; I do not mean that, sir. I mean I have seen written proof of this statement.

Mr. Hubert.

Such as what?

Mrs. Rich.

Such as a prison record. Now, let me qualify that. I have seen said statement on record, call it what you may. Now, how authentic it was, I cannot swear to it.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean he showed you a prison record?

Mrs. Rich.

I found it. From stuff in Spain--both Madrid, and a place called Consuela.

Mr. Hubert.

What sort of a prison record was it?

Mrs. Rich.

It wasn't as you would think of a prison record. It was merely a piece of paper in Spanish with a list of articles on it that was on his person