Mr. Senator.

"Jack told him" which is me "that he had been at his sister Eva's place," said that he had bought food for her." In other words, when he bought all this stuff there he bought her some too.

Mr. Griffin.

In other words, it was your understanding when you talked with Agent Moore that Jack had bought the sandwiches and so forth before he went to Eva Grant's house on Friday night?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; now let me ask you this. When I am talking to them, are they taking this word by word or what? Do you know? know myself.

Mr. Griffin.

It depends. Of course I wasn't at this interview.

Mr. Senator.

I know that. This is why I asked you.

Mr. Griffin.

They are obviously not taking it down word for word as our court stenographer is here.

Mr. Senator.

I know they do it in longhand which is tough. It is not easy.

Mr. Griffin.

He is taking notes which hopefully are going to be accurate. After all, these men are highly trained people.

Mr. Senator.

I am certain they are.

Mr. Griffin.

They are trained to take notes.

Mr. Senator.

I am certain they are.

Mr. Griffin.

And to do it as accurately as they can. But there are mistakes that crop up.

Mr. Senator.

Who isn't fallible somewhere or another. I think there is a misinterpretation of this word that "he had bought food for her." Brought food for her.

Mr. Griffin.

Would it make any difference?

Mr. Senator.

Not in all reality, I don't know, because when he bought all this food, if you asked me how much he bought I don't know but apparently, I have been under the impression that he bought quite a bit of things, because if he took food over to the police station, he couldn't go there with six or seven sandwiches I know if he was working of that nature, to bring food over there. So I assumed there must have been many, many sandwiches and pastries of some nature that he had brought over there.

Mr. Griffin.

I am interested, Mr. Senator, in this. That even in this interview with Mr. Moore on the 3d of December you don't make any reference about Jack telling you that he went to the police station.

Mr. Senator.

Maybe I forgot that.

Mr. Griffin.

And that is why I ask you again if it is not possible now this interview was not under the same kind of pressure?

Mr. Senator.

No; that is right. You are right on that. All I can say is maybe it is just a thing that slipped my mind.

Mr. Griffin.

Or is it possible that in fact all you remembered was that Jack had said that he bought food for Eva, and that he hadn't mentioned anything about going to the police station ?

Mr. Senator.

No; this is the same time when he bought all this stuff, when he bought these bags. Mind you, when I mentioned about these bags, this is the first time that I have even thought about this to anybody that I spoke to, see.

Mr. Griffin.

Now keep in mind the distinction between what Jack----

Mr. Senator.

Even though this thing slipped my mind all the way through completely.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; but try to focus on this distinction, the difference between what Jack told you on Friday night or Saturday morning, and what you later learned some time afterward. I ask you if it isn't possible that you learned about Jack's going to the police station after you talked with Agent Moore, and that that is the reason that you didn't tell this to the police and you didn't tell it to the FBI and you didn't tell it to Agent Moore, because you knew about sandwiches when you talked with Moore, and when you talked with the FBI, and you knew about going to Eva's, but at that point you didn't know of any connection between the sandwiches and the police station.

Mr. Senator.

The only way that I can really express this, it could be a probability and then it couldn't, in other words, I can't answer the question truthfully and be sure. I say I am not sure. What else could I say on that?

Mr. Griffin.

All right, this is what we are trying to get at.