Mr. Senator.

he took me in. I have seen other instances like this chap Larry. Now he ran across him out at the fairgrounds.
I don't know what it was, but this kid here didn't have the right time. He was doing something out there. His apparel was nothing, and Jack bought him a suit. Of course, mind you, he put him in the club, let him sleep there, but he made him work, but he gave him a few bucks. He gave him a place to sleep. He put some clothes on his back.
And one time before he disappeared I even heard him mention once Larry didn't have any front teeth, and I heard Jack mention once, "Larry, we'll have to do something about your teeth, to get you some front teeth." This is a true fact. As tough as this guy was at times, he was soft too. He had a heart. Many a buck he shelled out to somebody to grab a bite.

Mr. Griffin.

You suggested you found this Ewing Street apartment.

Mr. Senator.

The new place.

Mr. Griffin.

You made the decision----

Mr. Senator.

Somebody told me to take a look at this new place going up. At the time I looked at it, this place wasn't even ready.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you suggest to Jack that he might also want to move in there?

Mr. Senator.

I mentioned to Jack to take a look at it, see. This is before either one of us were living there. The thing was still in the working stages. It was coming round to completion, you know.

Mr. Griffin.

As we had discussed before, you moved in with Jack in the early part of 1962 and lived with him for about 5 months?

Mr. Senator.

But not at this place.

Mr. Griffin.

No; at another place.

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And, of course, during that 5 months you began to know the man better.

Mr. Senator.

Oh, sure.

Mr. Griffin.

You came closer to him, but you decided when you got a job you wanted to move out from him?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Now I am curious as to why you decided that you wanted to move out rather than decide that you would stay there and pay part of the rent.

Mr. Senator.

Particularly one. I told you he didn't keep a very clean place, but should I classify myself to say a man who is unemployed, a beggar--beggars can't be choosers, that is an old saying, right?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

That is part of it. All right, I know the overall picture that Jack would rather live alone, see. I mean if somebody is out, something like me, if I needed a place, all right, he would keep me. But in the overall picture he would rather live alone.
And many a guy has slept at his place whether the Carousel or one of the apartments he may live in, and I don't know how many he has lived in previous to when I knew him where he may put up a guy for a night, 2, 3, 4, or 5, whatever it might be, and fed him, because he was tapped or something of that nature. He has done this many a time, and I would probably say even before I knew him, and I feel this probably could go back to the hardships of his youth, because he, as I understand it, he had a rough bringing up and growing up.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he talk about that to you?

Mr. Senator.

He talked about some of it, but I never heard all of it come out in the courtroom. Of course, I never knew up until, you know, the recent times that his mother was in an institution or a crazy house, which I never knew. And, of course, I didn't know how drunk his father used to be, but I understand he was a habitual----

Mr. Griffin.

Did he talk about his father when you lived with him?

Mr. Senator.

I think he had mentioned his father, but he had never mentioned his mother, never, which I never knew. Of course, this all come out after the shooting, you know, everything come out, was brought out either by the sisters or somebody. And I never knew about how the kids were all separated,