Mr. Griffin.

notebook with the word "Penway" written on the front. It is called a "Penway Memo Book." Look through that.

Mr. Senator.

Is this Jack Ruby's book? I can't picture him writing like that. This is terrible handwriting.

Mr. Griffin.

You are looking now at the Crafard Exhibit No. 5202. Do you recognize the handwriting in that book?

Mr. Senator.

There is only one person who I think possibly could write like this.

Mr. Griffin.

Who is that?

Mr. Senator.

I would have to guess, and say probably Andrew, maybe. I am not sure.

Mr. Griffin.

But you don't recognize it as Jack Ruby's handwriting?

Mr. Senator.

I don't think it is. I don't think this is Jack Ruby's hand-writing. Jack don't write this bad. This is terrible writing. I don't think that is Jack's handwriting.

Mr. Griffin.

You have had a chance to go through this notebook. You mentioned, looking at page I of Exhibit 5202, in which there is written some words such as "Save, Vegas Club, Jack's home," and so forth. And there is the name Buddy, with the words "Fort Worth" written after it, and a telephone number underneath. Do you recognize that?

Mr. Senator.

This could be probably this guy that he was going to have, I imagine, I am not sure, probably made those twistboards.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recognize the name Buddy?

Mr. Senator.

No; I have never seen him; no.

Mr. Griffin.

You mentioned the name St. Charles.

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And St. Charles is written on this first page, with a telephone number under it. Do you recognize that?

Mr. Senator.

That probably is his home number.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember St. Charles' number?

Mr. Senator.

I don't remember the number offhand; no.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack Ruby ever have anything to do with Mr. St. Charles?

Mr. Senator.

No; nothing whatsoever. He knew him. He used to go through and buy some medicine, or whatever it might be, a toothbrush, and things of that nature.

Mr. Griffin.

Mr. St. Charles ran a drugstore?

Mr. Senator.

Yes, he has a drugstore in the Statler Hilton Hotel.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Mr. St. Charles have any connection with Jack Ruby's twistboards?

Mr. Senator.

No; nothing. Never knew he had a twistboard. I would venture to say that this book here, this is only one person I think who has a handwriting like that, that would write this here. This probably, this could be, though I have never seen this book, the handwriting looks like Andrew's, Andrew Armstrong, the colored boy. This is what I think it is. I am not sure.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you this. You made the remark that you know that St. Charles didn't know anything about the twistboards.

Mr. Senator.

No; not to my knowledge.

Mr. Griffin.

But have you talked with St. Charles since Ruby shot Oswald, and have you learned from St. Charles that he was unaware of the twistboards?

Mr. Senator.

. I have seen St. Charles exactly one time since then.

Mr. Griffin.

What prompted you to make the statement that St. Charles didn't know anything about the twistboard?

Mr. Senator.

I would probably say, to the best of my knowledge, he didn’t know anything about the twistboard.

Mr. Griffin.

You would be surprised if he did?

Mr. Senator.

If he did, I can't say. It is possible that he did, but I would say, to the best of my knowledge. I can't say positively. I don't think he did. Now, I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Turning over page 1, look at the names there. There are two names at the bottom of the page. You testified about Abe Klinman.

Mr. Senator.

Yes, the attorney. That is Earl Ruby, and Ed Pullman, which I mentioned before to you.

Mr. Senator.

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