Mr. Senator.

It was the latter part of February. I think it was the last week in February.

Mr. Griffin.

While you were away from Dallas, where were you?

Mr. Senator.

At my sister's.

Mr. Griffin.

That is Freda Weisberg in New York?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What was your occasion for returning to Dallas?

Mr. Senator.

I knew I had to be a witness because I was called on the first bond hearing.

Mr. Griffin.

That was your occasion?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

For returning?

Mr. Senator.

I had to come back as a witness.

Mr. Griffin.

In the bond hearing?

Mr. Senator.

No, no. I was at the bond hearing before I went away. I think I was at the first bond hearing. I don't remember the date, but it was in December sometime.

Mr. Griffin.

Was that before or after you talked with Agents Rawlings and Glonek that you appeared at the bond hearing?

Mr. Senator.

That was before because I remember one day that I met one of the agents. As a matter of fact, I was in the lobby of the Adolphus Hotel and one of the agents hollered out, "Hi, George" and I turned around to see who it was. It happened he was talking to some other agents and they were departing, they were going home.
So I walked over to him and I asked him who would I notify if I wanted to, who would I notify with the FBI that I was going to leave, that I wanted to go home but I wanted them to know where I was going, and he mentioned, call Mr. Cements.

Mr. Griffin.

At the time of the first bond hearing, who was representing Jack Ruby?

Mr. Senator.

Mr. Belli, Joe Tannenbaum--not Tannenbaum, Joe Tonahill.

Mr. Griffin.

Anyone else?

Mr. Senator.

Tom Howard was in it, but at that time he had no say.

Mr. Griffin.

What happened that Howard was not given any say?

Mr. Senator.

Well, I am not sure how to relate it, but I think that Earl Ruby, who was in Detroit then, was still in Detroit, spoke to some lawyer I think in Chicago now. I think it was in Chicago, looking for a lawyer, a big lawyer for Jack Ruby, and this lawyer to my knowledge, if I understand it right, was quoted to get Mr. Belli.

Mr. Griffin.

And how about Tonahill? How did Tonahill get in?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know. Tonahill, it seems, must have been a friend of Belli. The relationship I don't know, how they met or something of that nature.

Mr. Griffin.

Have you talked to Jack Ruby between the time you last saw him that Sunday morning, the 24th of November, and now?

Mr. Senator.

In the jail.

Mr. Griffin.

Have you talked to him?

Mr. Senator.

In jail, sure.

Mr. Griffin.

When did you talk with Jack?

Mr. Senator.

Various times, various times that Sheriff Decker would let me up.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see him before the bond hearing?

Mr. Senator.

I think I did, yes. I think so. I think I was up there. I mean I can't quote dates. I don't even remember what the date of the bond hearing was.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember the first time you went up to see him?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you go up with anybody?

Mr. Senator.

No, I went up alone. The reason for that, the reason I say I went up alone is because nobody was up there, allowed up there, besides the family and maybe very, very close friends because Sheriff Decker wouldn't allow anybody in.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you spend with Jack that first time?