Mr. Senator.

Yes. That was on the car he had when the radio, the car radio was not working.

Mr. Hubert.

What was Ruby's habit so far as you know concerning his finances, and his banking and so forth?

Mr. Senator.

As far as I know about it, his bank was his pockets. Now, if he had any banking, I don't know what he had in it.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you observe then that he carried large sums of money?

Mr. Senator.

Oh yes; always. Everybody knew that.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, how did he carry it?

Mr. Senator.

In ready cash.

Mr. Hubert.

But I mean did he roll it up and put it in his pocket?

Mr. Senator.

Rolled it up or have a string around it, not a string, you know, one of these rubber bands around it. He would carry some here and he would carry some here, and some here, and some in his back pocket. I don't think he knew where he had it half the time.

Mr. Hubert.

Let the record show that when the witness was saying "here, here and here," he was pointing to various pockets.

Mr. Senator.

This is the way. As a matter of fact, he used to say to me "George, where is my money," because he can't remember where he put his money.

Mr. Hubert.

Now you were with him frequently when he closed up the Carousel at night and you would go home?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

How was the money handled then, that is the receipts of that night?

Mr. Senator.

In his pocket.

Mr. Hubert.

We have heard something about a canvas bag, a money bag. Did you ever see that?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; I don't know what he would have in the bag. You know when it comes to money, that is his business. It doesn't get that close to me.

Mr. Hubert.

No; we are just asking you what you observed, that is all, about his handling of it.

Mr. Senator.

He has had money in the bag, and he has had it in his pockets. Now I don't know what the separation could be unless he has got a certain amount of money for bills or what it is I don't know.

Mr. Hubert.

When he had money in the bag where did he leave the bag?

Mr. Senator.

The bag? In the trunk.

Mr. Hubert.

In the trunk of the car?

Mr. Senator.

While going home.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, when you would come out of the Carousel he would take his bag up, and it had money in it, and bring it and throw it in the trunk of the car?

Mr. Senator.

Right. He would get home, open the trunk, take the bag up.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, do you know anything about a gun that he had, a pistol?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us what you know about it.

Mr. Senator.

I know he had a pistol, one of the small ones. In the nature of his type business, carrying all this money, this cash with him, this is why he always had the gun with him.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he keep the gun on his body?

Mr. Senator.

At times he had it on his body and at times he had it in his pocket.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he own a holster for the gun?

Mr. Senator.

No; not that I know of.

Mr. Hubert.

Either a shoulder holster or a hip holster?

Mr. Senator.

No; I have never seen it.

Mr. Hubert.

So when he carried a gun on his person where would he keep it?

Mr. Senator.

It would be in his pants pocket or sometimes it may be in the bag.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know anything, from talking to him or otherwise, about the ownership of the Vegas Club? Who owned the Vegas, in other words, as far as you know?

Mr. Senator.

As far as I know Jack Ruby owned it.