Mr. Griffin.

What were those?

Mr. Senator.

Those were Westerns and the stories, you know, whatever stories there might be.

Mr. Griffin.

You mean the movies?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; the movies, and he liked the Westerns, you know, the half-hour or hour programs, whatever they were.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he have a radio in his car?

Mr. Senator.

He had, what do you call those little things?

Mr. Griffin.

Transistor?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; transistor.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he have one that was installed in the car itself?

Mr. Senator.

You mean put in?

Mr. Griffin.

You know.

Mr. Senator.

He had it put in?

Mr. Griffin.

A car radio.

Mr. Senator.

Oh yes; installed with the car?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Was this any sort of special kind of radio?

Mr. Senator.

No; just a radio that came with the car.

Mr. Griffin.

It wasn't equipped to receive any kind of frequencies?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

FM or anything like that?

Mr. Senator.

No. As a matter of fact, the last car he bought he bought second-hand, which he thought he had a good buy on, and he bought it, and, of course, the thing had a radio in it, you know, whatever make it was. Nothing special about, just the ordinary car radio.

Mr. Griffin.

How about your radio at home? Could that pick up FM?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Or shortwave?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know if it could or not.

Mr. Griffin.

What kind of a radio was it?

Mr. Senator.

I don't even know the make or the brand. One side there was a clock and the other side was a radio.

Mr. Griffin.

I take it then your conclusion about Jack Ruby would be that he didn't have any particular political feelings one way or another, and he wasn't a great patriot and he wasn't disloyal. As far as you knew he was just an ordinary American citizen.

Mr. Senator.

He was a good, sound American citizen, and politics, he never messed around with that. He never messed around politically at all. The majority was connected with the music industry, the night life, you know, his club, his competitors, what they were doing.

Mr. Hubert.

Coming back to the automobile and the radio----

Mr. Senator.

Pardon me.

Mr. Hubert.

Concerning the radio in the automobile, what was his custom about putting it on when he was riding? Was it his custom to put it on or not?

Mr. Senator.

No, not. He normally didn't put it on.

Mr. Hubert.

Normally he would not put it on?

Mr. Senator.

Normally he wouldn't have it on. He also had one of the little transistors, one of these transistors that he had. The reason he had this transistor, of course he had it before I was around, the car he had before then, the radio didn't work, so he had the transistor.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did he keep it, in the automobile?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; he laid it on the seat.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he play it?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; he put on the music.

Mr. Hubert.

So that was his custom when he was driving around, instead of turning on the radio in the automobile?

Mr. Senator.

I wouldn't say at all times. Certain times he would put it on and play the music.

Mr. Hubert.

He would play the transistor?