Mr. Hubert.

What I am getting at is what you know about his sex relationships.

Mr. Senator.

His sex relationship, you know I'm not there to watch wherever he may be.

Mr. Hubert.

Still you may have some knowledge of facts which would throw light upon that.

Mr. Senator.

He likes women.

Mr. Hubert.

How do you know that?

Mr. Senator.

How do I know he likes women?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

I like women.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he ever tell you that he liked them?

Mr. Senator.

Did he ever tell me? In any normal conversation I'm certain anybody here, who doesn't say they don't like women. I think this is a normal thing to say.

Mr. Hubert.

What I am trying to get at is simply this. Very naturally as you pointed out a moment ago, it is very rare that there are any eyewitnesses to acts of sexual intercourse. On the other hand, there are other facts and circumstances from which one may judge if a man is having sexual intercourse with a particular woman, and that is what I am trying to get at. Do you know of any such things?

Mr. Senator.

This here I'm never around.

Mr. Hubert.

What?

Mr. Senator.

You mean when he is having sexual intercourse with a woman?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes; of course you wouldn't be around, but do you have any opinion as to whether or not he was having any affairs of a sexual nature with anybody? If you are reticent about naming names, perhaps we can leave that off.

Mr. Senator.

I have no names to name, but I am certain that he likes women. I know he talks to them like I talk to them or anybody else talks to them.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he ever bring any to the apartment that you know of?

Mr. Senator.

I am certain he has had them up for coffee when I have been there, such as that or a drink or talk, conversation. He has had even the help up there, you know. Once in a while we have a party. This is when I turn out to be the cook.

Mr. Hubert.

But you can't tell us then of any particular person that you would think Jack had intimate relationships with?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't know of any at all that you could even suggest in your own mind?

Mr. Senator.

I have seen him talking to many girls but if anything of that nature I am not around where he don't want me around.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he ever ask you to leave, for example, because he was having some feminine company, or indicate that he was?

Mr. Senator.

On rare occasions he has said he was going to have some company or somebody over.

Mr. Hubert.

And he indicated that he wanted you to leave?

Mr. Senator.

On rare occasions.

Mr. Hubert.

That is the sort of thing I am talking about that would indicate some factual situations upon which you can base your opinion. That is what I was speaking of a moment ago when I asked you for facts and circumstances that would throw light on your opinion, recognizing fully that normally one never actually is an eyewitness to such a thing. Do you have any other types of episodes or evidence of that nature?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

What was his relationship do you think with the girls at his club, I mean the waitresses?

Mr. Senator.

The girls in his club? Strictly business, strictly business.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you say that if a person said that Jack was on the make for every one of the girls that worked for him it would be a wrong statement?

Mr. Senator.

I have heard that expressed many a time.

Mr. Hubert.

What do you think about that statement?