Mr. Hubert.

And there had been no previous conversation between them?

Mr. Senator.

No; because he has always picked on Jack for some reason or other.

Mr. Hubert.

Let me get the picture. Jack walks into the room and this man Taber says "Go---------yourself?"

Mr. SENATOR. Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

To Jack?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Then what happened?

Mr. Senator.

I forgot what Jack says. Jack says something to him. Then I think there was an answer back or something, I just don't remember but all I know is Jack let him have it, hauled off.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean he hit him?

Mr. Senator.

He hit him.

Mr. Hubert.

With his fist or what?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he have any knucks?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Or pistol?

Mr. Senator.

It was his fist, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What happened?

Mr. Senator.

So they got into a little battle.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Jack knock him down with that first blow?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

So they actually squared off?

Mr. Senator.

They squared off. It didn't last long though.

Mr. Hubert.

What happened?

Mr. Senator.

They stopped it but the other fellow got the worst of it.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he knocked off his feet?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he a big man, this Taber?

Mr. Senator.

He was a little roller than I. I believe he was a little taller than I. But I would probably say he is a chap about maybe around I would say between 165 and 170 or 175. I am not sure.

Mr. Hubert.

And how tall?

Mr. Senator.

I would say he is probably, and I am only guessing, I would say maybe 5 feet 9 inches or 5 feet 10 inches.

Mr. Hubert.

How big a man is Jack by the way in point of height and weight?

Mr. Senator.

Jack I think, is about 5 feet 9 inches.

Mr. Hubert.

And weighed what?

Mr. Senator.

Jack weight. around 185, somewheres around that, 185.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you consider most of that was bone or muscle or did he have much fat?

Mr. Senator.

Well, he is 52. I don't care how you drill yourself, I am certain there is a certain amount of flab that hangs around the side which I didn't dare comment on. If I told him that he didn't like it. But still there is a certain amount of flab, but he had a powerful back. I mean to look at the man's back at his age, he had a tremendous back.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he fast with his fists?

Mr. Senator.

I would say for his age he was.

Mr. Hubert.

When you saw this battle with Taber?

Mr. Senator.

Yes, he was pretty fast.

Mr. Hubert.

And he definitely got the best of him?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What about the other occasion?

Mr. Senator.

Well, there was one occasion where he hit somebody I catch it with my eye but I happened to be there. I was there and he hit a bigger than him. I don't remember what it was.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you tell us where that was, in the club?

Mr. Senator.

Yes, it was in the club. It was in the hallway near the stairs. But it happened to be I didn't see it because I happened to be around the side and all I caught is the tail end.