Mr. Senator.

That he would have?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

No; that is so far-fetched I don't believe in that stuff.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you be a little bit more explicit about why you feel that way?

Mr. Senator.

Well, I feel that I have been around him enough to see him pet the dog, and I pet the dog many times. I picked up the dog many times like anybody else has picked up a dog and just scratched him on the head but have never seen an incident like this, at no time.

Mr. Hubert.

What about his interest in physical culture and keeping himself in good shape? There have been some reports about that but you are in a position perhaps to give us further details about it.

Mr. Senator.

Well, he loves to swim, and when he gets into a pool he can really go from one end to the other and go, because I heard it mentioned one time he said "George you know I used to be able to swim 2 or 3 miles" which would probably say is a pretty good distance. I know I can't do anything like that, or nowheres near it.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he do any ice skating?

Mr. Senator.

Yes, we were ice skating once.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he good at

Mr. Senator.

He was good because I'll tell you why he was good, because he had never been on ice skates before.

Mr. Hubert.

You just know of one occasion he had been on ice skates?

Mr. Senator.

Sir?

Mr. Hubert.

You just know of one occasion that he was on ice skates?

Mr. Senator.

I was with him and a group of people one time. They asked me to go, too, and did I suffer.

Mr. Hubert.

That was the first time he had been, too, to your knowledge?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know if that was the first time we had been. I mean I was only there one time. That was over at the fair ground in Dallas, but he had been I think twice. And the people who he was with, you know, we had some of the show folks there of the help, the people who worked there, thought he did very well for a man who had never been on ice skates, including his age.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he take any regular exercise so far as you knew?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; his dumbbells. He didn't do them every day but he did them quite often. Not the dumbbells; what do you call the things, weight-lifters.

Mr. Hubert.

Weightlifting equipment?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

He had them in the house?

Mr. Senator.

Yes, he exercised and very frequently he used to go to-the YMCA which he went for quite a long while. He has gone to the Y before I ever knew him or even became acquainted with him.

Mr. Hubert.

What was his general physical condition?

Mr. Senator.

Excellent.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he a powerful man?

Mr. Senator.

A powerful man?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

I'll tell you, I won't want to get rapped by him.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you ever heard of any of his episodes in which he tangled with people?

Mr. Senator.

I have never had the pleasure I can't say pleasure. I have never really witnessed a battle with him. Now I have seen him poke a couple of people.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean between him and other people.

Mr. Senator.

Yes; I have seen him poke a couple people.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us, about those, would you?

Mr. Senator.

Take for instance in the club. All right, here is a man who is of a temperament you know, he is a temperament man. He has a temper And I would probably say that he flies off, if you want to compare us, I am an angel when it comes to flying off compared to him, because he can go this