Mr. Griffin.

Would he call you in advance to let you know when he was coming back for dinner?

Mr. Senator.

No; no call; no.

Mr. Griffin.

What would you do? Did you have a time when you liked to eat, if Jack wasn't there that you would?

Mr. Senator.

If he wasn't there then I'd help myself or even if I made a couple of eggs or whatever it might be, Sure, I mean there was no particular time that I had to sit down and eat with him, because if I wasn't there he ain't waiting for me.

Mr. Griffin.

If you felt like eating dinner, would you go into the icebox and pull out a steak and make some potatoes and do what you wanted to do?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; sure, sure. If he wasn't there, look, I am not going to sit there and wait for him, you know. And he certainly isn't sitting there waiting for me, because I probably don't know what time he is going to be home and he probably doesn't know what time I am going to be home or sometimes we may be there together. But there was no set pattern. There was no particular time.

Mr. Hubert.

I gather from all this, from the fact that your acquaintanceship with Ruby ripened into friendship, and ripened further in the fact that you were sharing an apartment together, that you got to know the man pretty well as a man, and knew his habits?

Mr. Senator.

I knew something about them.

Mr. Griffin.

His likes and dislikes. You expressed an opinion about that already and that is what I would like to get to now with reference to particular areas. You have mentioned the question of dogs, and I would like you to tell us about what you know of him with reference to dogs and his attitude towards them and so forth.

Mr. Senator.

He had enough of them.

Mr. Hubert.

I gather from that you mean he had plenty of them?

Mr. Senator.

He had a few dogs.

Mr. Hubert.

All the time that you have known him was that so or when did that begin?

Mr. Senator.

Well, I don't know when it began because he had dogs the first time that I got close to him or acquainted with him.

Mr. Hubert.

That is about 2 1/2 years ago?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

But you don't know anything about the dogs?

Mr. Senator.

Previous to that I didn't know anything about dogs before.

Mr. Hubert.

I guess the number of dogs varied, didn't it?

Mr. Senator.

It happened to be why he had so many dogs, his dog Sheba, who was attacked by one of Sheba's sons at a later date, gave birth to six at one time. What are you going to do? He had dogs.

Mr. Hubert.

So he kept them.

Mr. Senator.

Yes. He didn't want to give them away.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did he keep them?

Mr. Senator.

They were born in the apartment. He had them in the kitchen until they were old enough, you know, whatever age that they might be, a month or two, and then he brought them down to the club and he puts them way in the back room of the club. He used to bring everybody in "See my dogs." Of course, his pet was Sheba, which everybody in this country knows.

Mr. Hubert.

She was the mother?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; that was the mother of the whole crew. So he wound up with----

Mr. Hubert.

Did Sheba stay at the club or at his house?

Mr. Senator.

Both Jack goes to the club, Sheba goes with him.

Mr. Hubert.

Sheba was always with him?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; this was the only one. I would say on rare occasions he would probably bring the other dog home or two, just overnight.

Mr. Hubert.

He gave some of the dogs away didn't he?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; Jack had close to 10 dogs. He had about 9 or 10 dogs. Don't forget Sheba had six at one clip.