Mr. Griffin.

Did you know any other nightclub operators in town at time Jack was running the Sovereign Club and letting you in?

Mr. Senator.

Well, normally on getting into clubs I would probably go in with a friend who was a member. You probably know the Kings Club and the Adolphus don't you or you heard of it?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; for example did you know the manager of the Theatre Lounge?

Mr. Senator.

As of recent?

Mr. Griffin.

Back there when you were going to the Sovereign Club and Jack would let you in.

Mr. Senator.

No; I knew who the owner was but I didn't know the manager, who the manager was at that time.

Mr. Griffin.

You know Abe Weinstein?

Mr. Senator.

Oh, yes; I don't know him that well. I know who he is, I know him casually.

Mr. Griffin.

Had you visited his clubs?

Mr. Senator.

On very rare occasions. Abe's place I have probably been up maybe as long as I have been in Dallas, if I have been up there four times I have been up there a lot, if I have been up there that many times.

Mr. Hubert.

All right; now we had progressed to the point where your casual relationship with Jack Ruby had developed into a little more than that commencing roughly about 2 1/2 years ago when you began to go to the Sovereign Club. I think you went there about four or five times before it changed to the Carousel. But you have previously mentioned that about 2 years ago something happened that changed this improving relationship let's say in the sense that you got to know each other better, so that you could be called friends then. Something happened you said about 2 years ago, and that is what I want you to take it from there.

Mr. Senator.

When I got through with Volume Sales I was unemployed again. In other words, I was down again. So Jack Ruby is of a nature, he will help somebody. Rather he has to feed them or give them a place to sleep or something of this nature, this is when he took me in when he knew I was broke. He said "George you can stay with me."

Mr. Hubert.

Did you tell him you were broke or did he find out from another source?

Mr. Senator.

No; I told him I was down.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ask to go in with him?

Mr. Senator.

No; I'll tell you why. I don't think I did. At that time Jack was changing over and he had some pretty rough times. He had changed over from this Sovereign Club. Now how rough he had it there I don't know because I wasn't intimate with him at that time, that intimate. And he went into this burlesque business.

Mr. Hubert.

That is the Carousel you mean?

Mr. Senator.

The Carousel and he was bucking somebody who had never been bucked before. That is the Weinstein brothers who owned the Theatre Lounge and the Colony Club and who have had the monopoly of that type nature of business for many, many years. Now, for him to buck them he has really got something to buck.

Mr. Hubert.

So he was having difficulties and you were too?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; originally I was sleeping at the club and so was he.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean he didn't have an apartment at all?

Mr. Senator.

He didn't have an apartment at that time.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did that situation go on?

Mr. Senator.

It didn't last too long, because as business started to pick up some he was sleeping, he had his own room in the club and he had a fold-out bed that I could sleep on and I slept there for awhile.

Mr. Hubert.

So that originally when Jack took you in, as it were, to assist you, he took you in at the club, and not into any apartment which he then had?

Mr. Senator.

He didn't have an apartment.

Mr. Hubert.

That is what I say.

Mr. Senator.

He didn't have an apartment at that time. But he was always good-in feeding somebody if they were down and out.