Mr. Hubert.

had not lost that employment at the time you moved in with Ruby, because you say that that employment----

Mr. Senator.

No, no, no; you mean prior to----

Mr. Hubert.

To the shooting.

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You were still working with them?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And you were still drawing that pay?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you mean when you said a little while ago that you were on a handout basis with Ruby since you were making $250?

Mr. Senator.

No; I am referring to the first time.

Mr. Hubert.

Oh, I see.

Mr. Senator.

That was in 1962.

Mr. Hubert.

You were living in another place?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; in 1962.

Mr. Hubert.

But with reference to the last time you lived with Ruby; that is to say, commencing the beginning of November of 1963?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You were----

Mr. Senator.

I was under pressure those 2 months because the rent--you know, when you switch from $62.50 to $125 you are going broke.

Mr. Hubert.

From the time you left Corbat until you moved with Ruby----

Mr. Senator.

I struggled for the 2 months, and Jack Ruby said to move in, so I moved in.

Mr. Hubert.

And were you supposed to pay any part?

Mr. Senator.

With Jack, no.

Mr. Hubert.

The arrangement was that you were not to pay anything?

Mr. Senator.

I wasn't to pay, but you know I would help him. I would help him Fridays and Saturdays, or once in a while I would pop up during a week night.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you something to get it straight about this Rhea Manufacturing Co.

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What did they do? What did they make?

Mr. Senator.

They manufacture dresses and sportswear.

Mr. Griffin.

I notice your Social security earnings record with Smoler Bros., that there seemed to be times regularly where you did not report any earnings from them, or they did not report any payments to you I should say, to be more accurate. Was there something seasonal about that business with Smoler Bros.?

Mr. Senator.

The type business?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

Yes; every season wasn't good. In other words, let me put it this way: When you get down to the latter part of the year, you know, see, we are more so of a cotton housecoat, not a housecoat but a cotton dress. You have seen these women wear these inexpensive cotton dresses. They look like plaid variations. Well, this wasn't a big factor at that time of the year. In other words, our spring and our summer was the best for us as far as selling goes.

Mr. Griffin.

And the spring and the summer were you selling for the spring. and summer seasons, or were you selling in the spring and summer for the following season?

Mr. Senator.

Let me explain it this way: I'm certain we are both on the right track, but let me explain it this way. In other words, we will start in May. In May your fall lines come out, see, come out, and you start selling them in May. Some of them sell them in April, even. It all depends who the-manufacturer is and how fast they put them out. Then your spring line--let's see, from the fall line your spring line will come out in, I think it's August, August of the year.

Mr. Hubert.

Let's see if we cannot get it this way. You never actually ceased your employment with Smoler's at any time until the final time?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; that is right

Mr. Hubert.

Now, there are periods from these reports that we have in which Smoler's apparently did not report any earnings for you. What we want to