Mr. Hubert.

What kind of work were you doing and who was your employer?

Mr. Senator.

I couldn't remember.

Mr. Hubert.

Or employers?

Mr. Senator.

I couldn't remember. It was a cafeteria with a soda fountain and I worked at the soda fountain. It has been so many, many years.

Mr. Hubert.

Who were the other two people that you went with?

Mr. Senator.

One fellow, his name was Ike Heilberun, and the other is--I can't remember his name.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you seen either of those two people in the last 10 or 20 years?

Mr. Senator.

I would say--no, one I haven't seen in many, many years. As a matter of fact, I think even before the war.

Mr. Hubert.

Which one, the one whose name you don't remember?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And the other one?

Mr. Senator.

The other I think the last time I saw him must have been maybe around 6 years or 7 years ago. He is down in Florida.

Mr. Hubert.

What kind of work is he doing?

Mr. Senator.

He is in the stationery business, if he still is, I mean. He was.

Mr. Hubert.

And you met him in connection with work or socially or how, that is 6 years ago?

Mr. Senator.

Oh, no; it happened to be I went down there. I went down there for a vacation there.

Mr. Hubert.

And you looked him up?

Mr. Senator.

And I looked him up and I found him and when I found him he was in the stationery end.

Mr. Hubert.

How extended was your visit with him then?

Mr. Senator.

Oh, just casual. I would probably say maybe I saw him two or three times.

Mr. Hubert.

No business relations?

Mr. Senator.

No, no; no business relations whatsoever.

Mr. Hubert.

Let's go back now and pick up the time when you came back from Florida. I say "came back." I assume you went back to New York.

Mr. Senator.

Yes; I went back to New York.

Mr. Hubert.

And tell us again----

Mr. Senator.

I do not remember if I stayed in New York or went back home now, because I would say on and off I had worked for my brother at various times.

Mr. Hubert.

Your brother?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What is his name?

Mr. Senator.

Jake Senator. Senator's Restaurant in Gloversville, N.Y. I worked on and off at his place many times.

Mr. Hubert.

How far have you progressed in your own mind as to this chronicle of your life? We are up to what year now that you were working for your brother?

Mr. Senator.

At the time I enlisted. In other words, when the war broke out I enlisted down at Albany, N.Y., at the Federal Building in Albany, N.Y. That was in August of 1941, I believe. I think it was August 20 or August 21, 1941, and I was with my brother at the time when I enlisted.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember working for the Admiral Hotel in Miami Beach and the Times Square Cafeteria?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; that is it. That is the place, the Times Square Cafeteria.

Mr. Hubert.

And David and Elizabeth Rosner at the Astor Hotel?

Mr. Senator.

It could be possible. I just don't remember. It could be possible.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, you were in Miami and worked for several people whose names I have mentioned during the winter of 1939-40 and until about the end of the season in Miami Beach, I take it?

Mr. Senator.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you enlist?

Mr. Senator.

I enlisted August 20 or 21 of 1941.

Mr. Hubert.

That was before Pearl Harbor then?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.