Mr. Hubert.

you were not working because of illness and you were staying mostly with your mother at home?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; well, my brother had a restaurant, or rather, still does. He has a restaurant. I used to help him up there.

Mr. Hubert.

Where? What place was that?

Mr. Senator.

Gloversville, N.Y. He had a restaurant by his name, by his last name.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you work with him?

Mr. Senator.

On and off, this is a rough guess, it has been so many years. I would probably say maybe a couple of years, something like that.

Mr. Hubert.

At which time you lived with your mother?

Mr. Senator.

Yes, I lived home.

Mr. Hubert.

Would that take us then in your life to about age 22?

Mr. Senator.

I would say around there, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Then what happened after those days of your life?

Mr. Senator.

Then I went back. I can't quote you the exact years, but I went back to New York.

Mr. Hubert.

City, you mean?

Mr. Senator.

New York City, and I went to work for a--I was jerking sodas in the early thirties. That is when I was in my twenties yet then.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you live during that period?

Mr. Senator.

I was still home with my sister. I went back. I shuttled either from my sister to my mother.

Mr. Hubert.

You did not have any residence of your own?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did she live during that period?

Mr. Senator.

My sister? She lived in the Bronx, still does.

Mr. Hubert.

I mean the same address?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember the address, or were there several? I am talking now about this other period, you see, that is to say when you----

Mr. Senator.

I can think of the streets but I probably could not think of the numbers.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, that is all right. Give us the streets.

Mr. Senator.

All right. When I originally came to New York it was on Davidson Avenue in the Bronx.

Mr. Hubert.

That would have been when you were about 12 years old?

Mr. Senator.

No, no. I first came to New York when I was 15.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did she live then?

Mr. Senator.

On Davidson Avenue in the Bronx. Then from Davidson I think I moved to Walton Avenue. These are all close by, these streets, you know. I would probably say a distance of maybe 4, 5, or 6 blocks, something of that nature. Then I lived there I am trying to think now. I have to jump back a lot of years and can't think of these outright.

Mr. Hubert.

We understand that and we understand therefore that your answers must be approximations.

Mr. Senator.

Yes, they are approximations. When I got this job jerking sodas there, now I'm in my twenties already. Of course, this is in the 1930 years. I was approximately around 25 when I was working in the Bronx jerking sodas and still living with my sister.

Mr. Hubert.

That was. around 1938, I take it?

Mr. Senator.

Yes, and 1939; 1938 and 1939.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember the place at which you worked?

Mr. Senator.

Yes, sure, J. S. Krums, chocolatiers. That is on the Grand Concourse.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you stay there?

Mr. Senator.

I would probably say I may have been there around 2 years. Now this is roughly guessing. Then the place went out on strike and I went out of a job. Then from there, two other fellows who were employed with us, we all went down to Florida. We went down to Florida for the winter and got a Job there for $14 a week and stayed all winter, then we come back again.