Mr. Paul.

do whatever she wanted to with it, because I couldn't do it any more. The second thing is, I had a broken foot--I couldn't make it any more over there, I was only coming up once a week, and the thing was shot, and then on the same day I decided to that, the liquor control board closed it up. They didn't close it up, they sent me a notice that I can't sell beer, so I might as well close it up.

Mr. Hubert.

And it hasn't been opened since then?

Mr. Paul.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

You paid the rent and all the bills during that time?

Mr. Paul.

When I was operating it?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Paul.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And you came out a deficit of about $3,000?

Mr. Paul.

At least--maybe more I paid the Government $1,770.

Mr. Hubert.

What was that for?

Mr. Paul.

Back taxes.

Mr. Hubert.

Excise taxes?

Mr. Paul.

Yes; it was for September, November, October, December.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that excise tax?

Mr. Paul.

Excise tax--that's the cabaret tax, they call it.

Mr. Hubert.

It doesn't have anything to do with the social security or withholding taxes?

Mr. Paul.

I paid them some of that too--there was only one person that was getting paid--all the entertainers got their own--they don't go under social security.

Mr. Hubert.

They are self-employed?

Mr. Paul.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know a woman by the name of Bertha Cheek?

Mr. Paul.

What is her name?

Mr. Hubert.

Bertha Cheek.

Mr. Paul.

It doesn't even ring a bell.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Ruby ever tell you that Just towards the end, in a week or two prior to the death of Oswald, that he was trying to borrow some money from her, and get her interested in opening a new cabaret?

Mr. Paul.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Or doing something to the Carousel?

Mr. Paul.

No, sir; that name don't even ring a bell to me.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't know her at all and he never mentioned her?

Mr. Paul.

Never.

Mr. Hubert.

Nor did he mention that he was trying to raise any money?

Mr. Paul.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

I think perhaps you would be in as good a position as anybody else to tell us some things about Jack's personal life. As you may know, there have been some rumors at least, that maybe Jack was a homosexual?

Mr. Paul.

Oh, no---there was rumors?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes, you have heard the rumors?

Mr. Paul.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

We would like your opinion on that subject.

Mr. Paul.

Oh, no--no, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You knew the man a long time?

Mr. Paul.

A long time.

Mr. Hubert.

It is your opinion he was not a homosexual?

Mr. Paul.

Positively.

Mr. Hubert.

What was his relationship with women generally; do you know?

Mr. Paul.

Well, he liked women.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he have affairs with them?

Mr. Paul.

Yes--just different times, different women all the time.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he ever particularly attached to one?

Mr. Paul.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was that?

Mr. Paul.

Let me remember that name again--mention some names, I can't think of the name.

Mr. Hubert.

Alice Nichols?