Mr. Paul.

Yes; we had some ice cream and John walked in with the two FBI men; that was 9 o'clock.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know Mrs. Bowman?

Mr. Paul.

Mrs. Bowman?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Paul.

Sure.

Mr. Hubert.

Who is she?

Mr. Paul.

She's my ex-partner's wife.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you living with her at that time?

Mr. Paul.

We were living together in a big house.

Mr. Hubert.

On that date?

Mr. Paul.

Yes; that's way out in the country.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see her that day?

Mr. Paul.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Not at all?

Mr. Paul.

I don't think I did--I might have seen her when I left the house.

Mr. Hubert.

And what time would that have been?

Mr. Paul.

Oh, in the morning.

Mr. Hubert.

But you didn't see her after Oswald was shot?

Mr. Paul.

I don't think so--I don't remember.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you go back to the house after Oswald was shot?

Mr. Paul.

I think I went from the movies to the house and changed clothes--what I think I did, and then went over to Jackson's house.

Mr. Hubert.

When was it that you decided to take over the operation of the club?

Mr. Paul.

That Monday after the shooting.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Jack ask you to do so?

Mr. Paul.

No, sir; I didn't see Jack.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Eva ask you to do so?

Mr. Paul.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, why did you do it?

Mr. Paul.

Personally, I don't know--I just did it on the spur of the moment, and I have been sorry every day after that.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ask Jack, or send word to him that you were going to do this?

Mr. Paul.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ask--well, weren't you interested in salvaging some of the debt that was owed to you if you could?

Mr. PAUL. If I could.

Mr. Hubert.

That's what I meant--that was why you did it?

Mr. Paul.

Yes; but I saw what I was getting into--it turned out to be a lemon.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, it turned out, as you say, to be a lemon, but your motive was to see if you could operate it to see if anything could be made out of it, to see if you could recover some of the debt that was owed to you?

Mr. Paul.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

And at the same time, I suppose, if you could make the thing a success--whatever Jack's interest was, it would be helpful to him, too? .Is that a fair statement of what was running in your mind?

Mr. Paul.

Well, naturally--I mean----

Mr. Hubert.

I don't want to put words in your mouth--if it's not so, tell me.

Mr. Paul.

Actually, it was on the spur of the moment that I did it, and I learned right away it cost me money.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Eva object?

Mr. Paul.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did any of his brothers or sisters object?

Mr. Paul.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

And you actually operated it for approximately 2 1/2 months?

Mr. Paul.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And then why did you close it?

Mr. Paul.

Well, maybe, I would still be operating it--no, I wasn't going to operate it any more. I told Eva, "I'm going to give you the stock," and let her