Mr. Hubert.

convey the information that you were worried about your own qualifications if you should be considered.

Mr. Sorrels.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

You think there were two conversations?

Mr. Sorrels.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Just one?

Mr. Sorrels.

As far as I know there would be one. Because that is the only interest I had. As I recall it, I told Mr. Griffin over the telephone that there were others present, and I could possibly find out who they were, and for that purpose that he was trying to bring out on the telephone conversation, and as I recall it he told me, "No; don't do that."

Mr. Hubert.

Did you find out who the two people were?

Mr. Sorrels.

No; I could not tell you to this day who they are.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, whoever you spoke to, Batchelor or Curry, who said they would let you know----

Mr. Sorrels.

No; I don't think it was my purpose in finding out who they were for my own benefit. That wasn't the point at all. It was my thought that they should have information for the district attorney--period.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, you were not interested in knowing who they were yourself? You wanted them to know of the fact that there were two officers there?

Mr. Sorrels.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

And that you were worried about your own qualifications?

Mr. Sorrels.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you tell us approximately the lapse of time, if you can remember it, between your conversation with Mr. Griffin and your conversation with either Chief Batchelor or Chief Curry that you have been speaking of?

Mr. Sorrels.

Well, I would say it was quite some time afterwards, because this conversation-I don't remember the date I had it with Mr. Griffin, but it was prior to the writing of this memorandum. And it was quite some time after that that the trial ever started. And when Mr. Wade saw me at the airport and said, "I want to see you and talk to you about this case," the trial, of course, had not started at that time. So it was quite some time afterwards.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, what did Curry or Batchelor, whoever it was, tell you when you told him of this?

Mr. Sorrels.

As I recall it, they said they could get the information. That is all that I recall that they said.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember when speaking to Wade at the interview whether you adverted to the conversation you had had over the telephone with either Batchelor or Wade, or possibly both?

Mr. Sorrels.

No; I don't recall that that was mentioned.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have any other conversation with any officers in the police department? I mean about this aspect that we are talking about now?

Mr. Sorrels.

I saw Captain Fritz at the district attorney's office the day that I was down there and talked to him, and I cannot recall about whether or not there was a conversation with him about who was present at that time or not, because I remember discussing with Captain Fritz at that time that I didn't think my testimony would be much benefit to the prosecution on that, or if it would be admissible because of the fact I had not warned Ruby of his constitutional rights.

Mr. Hubert.

When was that conversation?

Mr. Sorrels.

That was the same time I was talking to Mr. Wade at his office. This is when the trial of Ruby was actually in progress.

Mr. Hubert.

Was Fritz in the office?

Mr. Sorrels.

He was in and out of there. He had walked in and walked out. And I may have mentioned to him that--the fact that there was other officers there besides Dean and myself. And I told Mr. Wade in Dean's presence that certain things that Mr. Wade had asked me about, about Ruby saying that he had been--I think somebody had been thinking 3 days about shooting this fellow--that I heard no such statement, that I had left when I got the information I wanted. In other words, when I was questioning Ruby, as I recall it, nobody was asking him any questions except me, and when I got through I left.