Mr. Sorrels.

it to Chief Curry, too. But it seems to me like I- remember talking to Chief Batchelor.

Mr. Hubert.

About the existence of some officers?

Mr. Sorrels.

To find out who the uniformed officers were who were there.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, now, would that conversation with Chief Batchelor be before the Curry conversation or afterwards?

Mr. Sorrels.

I don't recall that I made that conversation to both of them or not. Now, I am just not positive about that. But I do recall having made that call for the specific purpose of getting somebody that was there, those two uniformed officers, that could have heard that conversation, that could have testified in the case down there.

Mr. Hubert.

Is it possible that that aspect of the matter was part of the call to Curry?

Mr. Sorrels.

I just don't remember--I just don't remember. But I know that I did talk to either Curry or Chief Batchelor, and I am inclined to think it was Chief Batchelor. Now, when you mentioned awhile ago about the call to Curry, I, of course, said "yes" on that, because I was thinking about the call. But since thinking about it, I am not sure that it was Chief Curry that I talked to at all about that particular angle. But I do know that I talked to Chief Batchelor about it. I know that.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, let's see if we can clarify it. There is no doubt about it that there was one telephone call made to a high police official.

Mr. Sorrels.

That is what I recall.

Mr. Hubert.

You are definite that one call was made to Batchelor.

Mr. Sorrels.

If my memory serves me right, it seems that I did talk to Batchelor.
Now, whether I talked to Chief Curry on that particular thing or not, I am not too positive.

Mr. Hubert.

So that the matter stands that you are not certain that there was the second telephone call with Curry at all?

Mr. Sorrels.

No; I don't----

Mr. Hubert.

Well, would you have covered with Batchelor the material that we have talked about that you say you did cover with Curry?

Mr. Sorrels.

Now, what material is that?

Mr. Hubert.

Well, such as that you were doubtful about your ability to testify, and so forth.

Mr. Sorrels.

Not necessarily. In other words, if it was Batchelor that I called, then I would have, I think, have explained it to him. If it had been Curry I called, I would explain it to him--as to why I was wanting these names, or given that information to them.

Mr. Hubert.

What I am trying to get at, you see, is whether or not there were two calls.

Mr. Sorrels.

I don't recall that there were two calls. I don't.

Mr. Hubert.

And you are positive you spoke to Batchelor?

Mr. Sorrels.

It seems that I remember talking to Chief Batchelor about it, because it seems that I can remember that he said, "I am sure that we can find out that information," or words to that effect.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, if there was only one call--that is to say, if you are doubtful about two, and you do remember definitely Batchelor, then the one call would have to be Batchelor, would it not?

Mr. Sorrels.

That is correct; yes.

Mr. Smith.

I think there is a lack of meeting of the minds here.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you try to help me out? I would appreciate it.

Mr. Smith.

Let me see if I can clarify this. Was there definitely a conversation with Curry about whether you would be able to testify because of your failure to warn Ruby of his constitutional rights?

Mr. Sorrels.

I just cannot say positively that there was. I do know that I made a phone call for the specific purpose of informing them of the fact that these two uniformed police officers were there and could have heard the conversation that I had with Ruby, and as my memory serves me it seems that was Chief Batchelor. Now, I may have had conversations with Chief Curry. We have talked about this thing from many, many different angles from time to time.