Mr. Crafard.

the mirror, or shooting a glass off the bar counter, and how they broke a chair over a man's head and how a chair or table broke when a man was knocked into it, such as that.

Mr. Griffin.

How many actors did they have in this show?

Mr. Crafard.

There was, I believe, six Hollywood personnel all together.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did the show last in terms of each performance?

Mr. Crafard.

The show was approximately about 45 minutes.

Mr. Griffin.

How much did they charge for admission?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe they was charging 75 cents, if I remember.

Mr. Griffin.

Who conceived of the show?

Mr. Crafard.

As far as I know, from what I knew of it, it was Craven and Miles.

Mr. Griffin.

What do you know about Craven, what was his background?

Mr. Crafard.

All I know he come from Hollywood, was supposed to be some producer from Hollywood.

Mr. Griffin.

And how about the Miles fellow?

Mr. Crafard.

Deke Miles, as far as I know, was a director from Hollywood, a Hollywood director.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you happen to decide to go to Dallas, Tex., in the fall of 1963?

Mr. Crafard.

Because I knew there was one of the biggest fairs in the country held in Dallas, Tex. and I had some friends working over at Dallas, Tex., and I figured this would be as good a place to get a job with a carnival as anywhere.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you happen to go to Dallas the first time you moved there the year before?

Mr. Crafard.

I was going there to have a reconciliation with my wife.

Mr. Griffin.

And you stayed about 3 months; is that it?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; about that.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you live with her at that time?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did you live?

Mr. Crafard.

Letot Trailer Park on Lombardy Lane.

Mr. Griffin.

Did one of you own a house trailer?

Mr. Crafard.

We rented a house trailer.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you drive an automobile?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

When Ruby bought the lumber from the dance-band show that closed, what was he going to use that lumber for?

Mr. Crafard.

Remodeling on the inside of his Carousel Club.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he use it for that purpose?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

What did he do with the lumber?

Mr. Crafard.

He stored it.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did he store it?

Mr. Crafard.

Downstairs below the Carousel Club.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he make any effort to remodel?

Mr. Crafard.

He was doing some remodelling while I was there, building a cloakroom. That was about all that was being done, building a cloakroom, while I was there.

Mr. Griffin.

Was Jack Ruby ever away from his Carousel all day?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember a day that I didn't see him at least once during the day.

Mr. Griffin.

You do?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't, I say. I don't remember a day.

Mr. Griffin.

But ordinarily Jack would come about 11:30 in the morning----

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Stay just a short while----

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Griffin.

And would be gone all day until sometime in the late evening?

Mr. Crafard.

Usually; sometimes he would come back in the middle of the afternoon for a little while, or maybe he wouldn't come back until after the club opened at 7:30.