Mr. Crafard.

I should know him because it looks like he looks like an older fellow who was around the club quite often with Jack, but I can't remember.

Mr. Hubert.

Let the record show that the witness was referring to the picture identified as Exhibit 5201.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember a fellow by the name of Ryan, who was friendly with Jack Ruby, and who also went by the name of Roy William Pike?

Mr. Crafard.

William Ryan is familiar, but this other man, it wouldn't be Mickey?

Mr. Griffin.

Mickey Ryan. Is that Mickey Ryan that worked the bar?

Mr. Crafard.

I couldn't say. The picture is really--if I would see the man together I might be able to----

Mr. Hubert.

When you say the man in the picture, which man are you talking about?

Mr. Crafard.

The man who appears to be a bartender.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me see if I understand. Do you make some association in your mind between the picture of the bartender here and the fellow you remember as Mickey Ryan?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes. There is quite a similarity.

Mr. Griffin.

But you are not---

Mr. Crafard.

I am not positive.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know of a place in Dallas called the Gun Club?

Mr. Crafard.

I have heard mention of a place by that name, but I have never been there.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever meet any of Jack's friends from Chicago?

Mr. Crafard.

Not that I know of.

Mr. Hubert.

Let me ask you a bit more about the man seated at the table in the foreground of the picture identified as Exhibit 5201. Did I understand you to say he bore a resemblance to someone you had seen before?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And that someone was who?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't----

Mr. Hubert.

It was suggested to you that it might have been one of the people you identified as, earlier in this deposition as, having come from California and as having come in to see Ruby on several occasions, and to sit down and chat for a little while and then he would go off with them. Do you remember that testimony?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, is that man seated at the table as described by me a moment ago possibly one, of those men?

Mr. Crafard.

It could possibly be, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What is it about him that refreshes your memory so that you are able to say that he could possibly be that man from California?

Mr. Crafard.

Mostly his face; his facial features mostly.

Mr. Griffin.

Larry, did Jack Ruby know your full name?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

How did he know you?

Mr. Crafard.

As Larry.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he know your last name at all?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't believe so. I don't recall telling him. I did--I told him my last name when that letter came in from my cousin in Michigan, and he gave it to me.

Mr. Griffin.

How did Eva Grant know where to look for you?

Mr. Crafard.

I am not sure except for the fact, like I say, I had left an envelope with my cousin's address at the Carousel.

Mr. Hubert.

Andy knew your last name, didn't he?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe so.

Mr. Griffin.

How did Andy come to learn your last name?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe on this same occasion with the letter.

Mr. Griffin.

I asked you about the show "How Hollywood Makes Movies." What kind of a show was that?

Mr. Crafard.

That was, it showed a few of the different tricks and stunts that was used in moviemaking process, such as shooting a mirror without breaking