Mr. Crafard.

It must have been about 2:30 or 3 o'clock in the afternoon, imagine.

Mr. Hubert.

She didn't know you were coming?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

That is in Kalkaska?

Mr. Crafard.

She lives about, I think about 20 miles out of Kalkaska, or she did at that time.

Mr. Hubert.

So that when you got to Kalkaska you still had to go another 20 miles?

Mr. Crafard.

About that, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

That was a rural road?

Mr. Crafard.

It was about--most of it was a well-traveled road, one of the main roads through the State.

Mr. Hubert.

From Kalkaska to where she lived?

Mr. Crafard.

It was then about two miles off the road.

Mr. Hubert.

She lives off the main highway?

Mr. Crafard.

She did at that time.

Mr. Hubert.

Did she live in a log cabin or something of that kind?

Mr. Crafard.

She was living in a farm house.

Mr. Hubert.

Farm house. About 20 miles from Kalkaska?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; a little place called Mancelona.

Mr. Hubert.

Mancelona?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

It is in County Antrim; isn't it?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; I believe so.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you tell her about your experience?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What was her reaction?

Mr. Crafard.

Well, about the same as everybody else.

Mr. Hubert.

Did she know about Ruby?

Mr. Crafard.

I am not sure whether she did or not. They didn't have their radio or TV either, so I don't know. I think they had heard about it, but I am not sure.

Mr. Hubert.

But, in any case, she didn't know you had been working for him?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it at that place that the FBI man interviewed you?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What day was that?

Mr. Crafard.

That is where he picked me up. He picked me up there on Thanksgiving Day.

Mr. Hubert.

What time did he pick you up? Did he arrest you?

Mr. Crafard.

No. They came out the house about 7 o'clock Thanksgiving Day.

Mr. Hubert.

7 0'clock at night?

Mr. Crafard.

In the morning, and he had me go for an interview.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you go?

Mr. Crafard.

It was about 10 miles from there. It is a little town where the police station was. I don't remember the name of the town.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know how they located you?
Mr. CRAFARD, How is that?

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know how they located you?
Mr. CRAFARD, Well, they went to my aunt's.

Mr. Hubert.

How did they----

Mr. Crafard.

That is one thing I know.

Mr. Hubert.

How did they come to go to your aunt's?

Mr. Crafard.

When I was in Dallas, I had got a letter from my cousin, I had left the envelope laying when I left there. They found her address.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean Roberts?

Mr. Crafard.

No; my aunt's niece, Mickey--my aunt's daughter.

Mr. Hubert.

What is her name?

Mr. Crafard.

Gail Eaton.

Mr. Hubert.

She is the one who lives in Harrison?