Mr. Hubert.

What do you think is the fair time to state that the man let you off in Chicago, given the time schedule that we have been able to work out to the extent that it helps your memory? You were there. What we are trying to do is to get the facts.

Mr. Crafard.

It must have been about 2:30, 3 o'clock, because I got through Chicago all right without any trouble.

Mr. Hubert.

He didn't take you through Chicago?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I bypassed most of Chicago.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you do that?

Mr. Crafard.

On a couple alternate routes.

Mr. Hubert.

With hitchhikers?

Mr. Crafard.

Different rides.

Mr. Hubert.

Different rides?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

How many?

Mr. Crafard.

I got three or four different rides in Chicago.

Mr. Hubert.

With these several rides around Chicago, bypassing it, how long did it take you to get around Chicago?

Mr. Crafard.

Probably 2 or 3 hours.

Mr. Hubert.

And these were all short ones?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you recall your next long one that really took you out of Chicago good?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe I had a ride carried me over to Lansing.

Mr. Hubert.

What distance is that from Chicago?

Mr. Crafard.

I'm not sure of the exact distance.

Mr. Hubert.

What time did that man pick you up, a woman, or whoever it was?

Mr. Crafard.

It was a man. It must have been getting on toward night; it must have been.

Mr. Hubert.

Toward 9, or night?

Mr. Crafard.

Night. It must have been getting toward dark. It was getting dark pretty quick at that time.

Mr. Hubert.

Was that man alone?

Mr. Crafard.

As far as I can recall.

Mr. Hubert.

And you had that ride clean on from Chicago to Lansing, Mich.?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe so; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What time did you get to Lansing?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember.

Mr. Hubert.

Of course, it was night?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You weren't at your destination yet, were you?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you stay in Lansing very long?

Mr. Crafard.

No; not too long. I had to pretty well walk through quite a bit of Lansing; about an hour and a half walk, I guess it was.

Mr. Hubert.

Well----

Mr. Griffin.

You walked for an hour and a half?

Mr. Crafard.

About that.

Mr. Griffin.

And you had two bags with you?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't attempt to take any streetcars or buses?

Mr. Crafard.

No city buses running when I got there.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you judge that it was too late for the buses?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; I think it was.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it after midnight?

Mr. Crafard.

I think so; I'm not sure.

Mr. Hubert.

That was a man, too, you think?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you have supper?

Mr. Crafard.

I think we must have stopped; I think we stopped before we got to Lansing at a care to get supper.