Mr. Hubert.

Had you been drinking the night before?

Mr. Crafard.

Not that I recall.

Mr. Hubert.

What I am trying to get at, Larry, is why it was so difficult to wake you that morning.

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; I can understand that.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you any explanation for it?

Mr. Crafard.

None that I can think of except that I probably was a little tired, except a little tired from the night before when I went to bed.

Mr. Hubert.

You do recall that?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; I went to bed and went right to sleep. I didn't lie awake very long.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you normally lay awake sometimes?

Mr. Crafard.

I normally lay awake anywhere from an hour and a half to 2 hours.

Mr. Hubert.

But this particular night you did not?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

You weren't drinking?

Mr. Crafard.

No, not that I can recall.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you drink much?

Mr. Crafard.

Very seldom. I drank, I think, three or four different times while I was there that I drank a beer or two, that was all.

Mr. Hubert.

So that your heavy sleep on the morning of the 22d couldn't be attributed to the fact that you had a hangover?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Or that you were suffering from any overindulgence in alcohol?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't take any kind of sleeping pills or anything like that?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

So this was just normal sleep?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And his call failed to wake you?

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

What did he tell you when he first came in?

Mr. Crafard.

The first thing he said was President Kennedy had been shot. He said, "The President has been shot." I wouldn't hardly believe him.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you do?

Mr. Crafard.

Immediately we went in and turned the television on. He had his radio going and I turned the television on and listened to his radio and then we had to turn the television up real loud where we could hear it. We were more interested in what was said than the pictures they was showing or anything like that.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember what time it was?

Mr. Crafard.

It was something like----

Mr. Hubert.

I mean first of all when he woke you up.

Mr. Crafard.

20 or 25 to 12.

Mr. Hubert.

To 12?

Mr. Crafard.

Or after 12, to 1, I mean. I think it was something like that. I'm not sure. I didn't have a watch on. I didn't have a watch at that time.

Mr. Hubert.

You began looking at the television. I suppose from the time that you woke up plus the time it took you to get dressed, or did you get dressed?

Mr. Crafard.

As soon as he woke me up he went in and turned the television on while I was putting my pants on, putting my clothes on.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember what was the first thing you saw on television?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it a news commentator?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe it was.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember which one?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir; I don't.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember the station it was on?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I don't remember what station it was on, either.
It was one of the local--I believe it was 12 that Dallas-Fort Worth--I believe that was the station.