Mr. Hubert.

Jack never did mention the subject to you?

Mr. Crafard.

The only thing he ever mentioned was that the policemen we off duty, would come in there when they were off duty, got their drinks at a cut price.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the cut price?

Mr. Crafard.

The normal price was 60 cents, and they got them for 40 cents.

Mr. Hubert.

That you say is when they were off duty?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he give you any instructions as to what the price was to be when they came in on duty?

Mr. Crafard.

There was no charge for the coffee, and none would drink anything other than coffee, to my knowledge, when they were on duty or maybe a Coke or--a glass of Coke or a glass of 7-Up.

Mr. Hubert.

How did they identify themselves when they were off duty so that they got the cut rate?

Mr. Crafard.

Well, most of them when they come in there, when they come to the door they got in the door free so they showed a card at the door, their identification at the door. And then it usually would be at the bar, the girls knew most of them that did come in there when they were off duty. Evidently I took it that Jack had introduced them as officers, and we had occasion one night to serve one of the gentlemen, we was talking, and one of the girls when I took over the bar from Andy. he had to leave early, and he told me this gentleman was a police officer. He said he only charged him 40 cents. So I had occasion to talk with them.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you get to know any by sight?

Mr. Crafard.

No; not that I could--just when he walked in the door and say he was a police officer.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know any by name?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see any of those policemen at the Ruby trial?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't recall it, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

How many different policemen would you say came in to Ruby's place during the period you were there?

Mr. Crafard.

When they were off duty, to my knowledge, there was only about 4 or 5 of them would come in there, off duty, and it was usually the same ones that were on duty that would come in to have coffee, patrolmen. The others were usually plainclothesmen, detectives.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know what bureau any of them were attached to?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know whether there were any of them attached to the juvenile bureau?

Mr. Crafard.

No; not definitely.

Mr. Griffin.

You have some thought that they were?

Mr. Crafard.

You mentioned the juvenile bureau, it seems to me there was something mentioned about one of them being from the juvenile bureau or something.

Mr. Griffin.

Is this something you read in the paper, or something that was mentioned at the club.

Mr. Crafard.

No, something that was mentioned at the club.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Ruby follow a pretty close routine of life insofar as his activities were concerned?

Mr. Crafard.

For him, yes. His routine was for myself, or for any ordinarY businessmen that I have known, any businessmen that I have known, would have been a real rough, hurry-scurry routine.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, let's take it timewise. For instance, you say he usually called you in the morning. Was that pretty routine?

Mr. Crafard.

No; that varied.

Mr. Hubert.

And I think you said that he came in usually sometime before noon.

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Was that pretty regular?