Mr. Hubert.

How often did you see her?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe I saw Eva about four times.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you get to know her as a person?

Mr. Crafard.

Not too well.

Mr. Hubert.

On those four occasions how long were you in her company?

Mr. Crafard.

Just for a few minutes at a time.

Mr. Hubert.

Did she have any interest in Ruby's affairs?

Mr. Crafard.

She managed the Vegas Club for Jack.

Mr. Hubert.

Did she have an interest in the Carousel so far as you know?

Mr. Crafard.

So far as I know; no.

Mr. Hubert.

Jack never told you that she did?

Mr. Crafard.

No; as far as I knew the Carousel Club was Jack's as far as I knew.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you give us a physical description of her, how tall was she, how heavy was she?

Mr. Crafard.

She is an oldish woman, probably weighs maybe 130, 135 Pounds, stands probably right around 5'6", I would say.

Mr. Griffin.

So she is not a heavy woman?

Mr. Crafard.

Not exceptionally heavy, no. For her age she is a real nice-looking woman.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know her age?

Mr. Crafard.

How is that?

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know her age?

Mr. Crafard.

No, but I believe she is Jack's older sister.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you get that information, from Jack?

Mr. Crafard.

Well, from the way he talked. He had one older sister and a younger sister, and I met the family, the rest of his family at the trial and the other sister was younger than Jack, I knew that.

Mr. Hubert.

You have been to the Vegas, haven't you?

Mr. Crafard.

Oh, yes; I was in the Vegas Club on several occasions.

Mr. Hubert.

You worked there?

Mr. Crafard.

Two nights that I run the Vegas Club myself. One night I was the only one there. The next night I had a waitress there with me.

Mr. Hubert.

You stated that she was the manager of the Vegas Club for Jack?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you get that information?

Mr. Crafard.

Jack said she was managing the club for him.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you there when she was there?

Mr. Crafard.

I was there a couple of evenings after the Carousel Club closed we went over there to Vegas Club and she was there.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know a man by the name of George Senator?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was he?

Mr. Crafard.

He was a friend of Jack's he was with Jack quite often.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, how often?

Mr. Crafard.

He would come into the club with Jack three or four times a week anyway.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean when they would come in at night or in the afternoon this man Senator would be with him?

Mr. Crafard.

It would be maybe during the day or maybe in the evenings.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you give us a description of him?

Mr. Crafard.

He is a kind of heavy-set fellow about 5' 4", 5' 5".

Mr. Hubert.

A very short man?

Mr. Crafard.

Fairly short. Wasn't much taller than Jack. He probably would, I would say, probably would weigh about 180, 185.

Mr. Hubert.

Fat or husky?

Mr. Crafard.

Kind of on the fat side.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he have a limp?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe he did, I am not sure.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know anything else about the relationship between him and Jack?