(Testimony of Curtis Laverne Crafard)
Mr. Hubert.
Is that all?
Mr. Crafard.
That is all I can think of causing the association.
Mr. Griffin.
Do you recall, Larry, if at any time Jack had a Photographer at the club?
Mr. Crafard.
Yes; he did for publicity purposes.
Mr. Griffin.
Do you recall where that photographer was from?
Mr. Crafard.
No; I don't sir.
Mr. Griffin.
Do you recall any--how long was this photographer there?
Mr. Crafard.
He was around there for 3 or 4 days in the evening before the show was going on. I believe he was from a magazine.
Mr. Hubert.
Was his name Eddie Rocco?
Mr. Crafard.
I believe so.
Mr. Griffin.
Was this one of the two men you have been talking about from California or were these two men different, from California?
Mr. Crafard.
I don't recall; it might have been. He might have been from California. But these two men were not photographers. They come in, it looked to me, it appeared to me to be businessmen, fellows----
Mr. Hubert.
Did they have long conversations with Ruby?
Mr. Crafard.
Not in my presence. Not when they were around the club. They was never in the club with him more than 5 or 10 minutes when they were there.
Mr. Hubert.
What would happen, they would come in and talk to him?
Mr. Crafard.
They would come in and he might have some phone calls to make or something and they would stay there while he made the phone calls and then they would leave.
Mr. Hubert.
Do you know where they went?
Mr. Crafard.
No, sir.
Mr. Griffin.
Jack would go out with them?
Mr. Crafard.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you notice how long they stayed?
Mr. Crafard.
I wouldn't know how long they would stay with Jack. He might take off at 11 o'clock in the morning and wouldn't be back all day.
Mr. Hubert.
What I mean is, do you have any recollection of seeing him leave with one of those men or either of them and then come back with them?
Mr. Crafard.
I don't recall him doing so. He might have.
Mr. Hubert.
Have you any recollection that having left with one of those men he came back alone and particularly at what time or how much longer did he come back alone, how much later did he come back alone?
Mr. Crafard.
I have no recollection of that either. He was--people would come to the club to see him, he would go downstairs, leave with them, and sometimes he would be gone the rest of the afternoon or sometimes he would come back.
Mr. Hubert.
What we would like you to tell us is, what there was about these two men from California that makes their visits there still a part of your memory.
Mr. Crafard.
Just the fact that shipping the dogs to California, I kind of more or less associated the fact and that they were from Los Angeles.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you ever gather where they were staying while they were in Dallas?
Mr. Crafard.
I don't know.
Mr. Hubert.
Who usually woke you up in the morning over there?
Mr. Crafard.
Jack would usually call me in the morning.
Mr. Hubert.
About what time?
Mr. Crafard.
Anywhere from 8 o'clock on.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you have any other way of waking up?
Mr. Crafard.
Not unless Andrew would come by.
Mr. Hubert.
Was there an arrangement that one of them would wake you so you might commence your work?
Mr. Crafard.
Jack would usually call me in the morning as soon as he got up.
Mr. Hubert.
Did Armstrong call you sometimes?
Mr. Crafard.
A couple of times Andy would call me.
Mr. Hubert.
Do you know a man by the name of Ralph Paul?
Mr. Crafard.
Yes.
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