Mr. Griffin.

Okay. Where you Just placed an "X"? I am going to mark this, if I can, mark this "Dallas, Tex. Detective T. D. McMillon." That is [spelling] M-i-l-l-o-n, right?

Mr. Mcmillon.

Right.

Mr. Griffin.

3-25-64, Exhibit 5015, At the time you arrived for work, was there a police officer stationed at the corner of Main and Pearl?

Mr. Mcmillon.

I don't recall whether there was or wasn't.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, from that parking lot, Mr. McMillon, how did you get into the police department? Did you walk down Main or Commerce?

Mr. Mcmillon.

Down Main.

Mr. Griffin.

And did you--how did you go, in the Main Street ramp?

Mr. Mcmillon.

No. I probably took the first floor elevator, elevator, first floor. I usually do. That particular day, I recall I walked down this ramp, but I don't recall whether I took the steps and went up to the first floor and went up the elevator. That is the way I usually go in.

Mr. Griffin.

You go into the city hall, as opposed to the municipal building, there is a set of steps going up into the police building?

Mr. Mcmillon.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And then, when you arrived, were there any people congregated around the Main Street ramp?

Mr. Mcmillon.

Not that I recall. I don't know if there was or not. I don't recall there being any there.

Mr. Griffin.

Were there any other cars parked in the parking lot when you arrived?

Mr. Mcmillon.

Yes; I am sure there was. I don't know whose Or which ones.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you recognize Jack Ruby's car?

Mr. Mcmillon.

I haven't seen Jack's car.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do when you got up to the auto theft bureau?

Mr. Mcmillon.

I don't know. Probably the first thing I did, probably take my coat off and go get a cup of coffee, bring it back out of the machine. That is my normal ha,bit or routine.

Mr. Griffin.

Is there a machine up on the third floor?
Mr.McMILLON. Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Is it just in the auto theft bureau or is it accessible?

Mr. Mcmillon.

No. There is a little lounge that is accessible to the public.

Mr. Griffin.

And do the police officers normally take a coffee break in there?

Mr. Mcmillon.

Not normally, but you may occasionally see some in there.

Mr. Griffin.

Where do the police officers normally go?

Mr. Mcmillon.

Martin's or the Majestic. Of course, Martin's wouldn't be open on Sunday, I don't think. Wherever you can go. You might possibly go to the locker room, if you wanted to. There is a coffee machine down there.

Mr. Griffin.

Uh-huh. Do you remember what you did up until the time that you were asked to go down into the basement?

Mr. Mcmillon.

I tried to work on some of my cases, the best I could. I don't remember whether I was trying to contact some complainants by phone or whether I had checked some prisoners out of the jail, was working out on prisoners, exactly what I was doing. I know I was working in the office when Lieutenant Smart came through and said, "Don't anybody leave."

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember any of the cases that you worked on that day?

Mr. Mcmillon.

Huh-uh.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you busy answering telephone calls from people?

Mr. Mcmillon.

Yes; I answered some phone calls from people. Yes, sir; I sure did.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you get any phone calls in connection with the murder of the President?

Mr. Mcmillon.

Not that I recall.

Mr. Griffin.

You didn't get any of these crank calls?

Mr. Mcmillon.

No; I didn't take any crank calls. I sure didn't.

Mr. Griffin.

When you got up there, what other officers were on duty in the auto theft bureau?

Mr. Mcmillon.

Well, now, let's see. I recall I was on duty, Lieutenant Smart, Detective Clardy. That is my partner. Detective Rivers was working at the