Mr. Hubert.

You didn't have any cash but what you said?

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

Would it be correct to estimate that your total worth other than the cash you just mentioned at that time was less han a hundred dollars?

Mr. Crafard.

I would say so; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, how long did you stay with your sister?

Mr. Crafard.

I stayed with them for about 6 or 7 months.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you work?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Where?

Mr. Crafard.

In the pulpwoods.

Mr. Hubert.

What does that mean?

Mr. Crafard.

We were cutting pulpwood.

Mr. Hubert.

What did that pay?

Mr. Crafard.

It was piece work. We was making about $8 a cord.

Mr. Hubert.

About how much would that amount to a month?

Mr. Crafard.

Oh, man.

Mr. Hubert.

Just an estimate?

Mr. Crafard.

Probably right around $400.

Mr. Hubert.

That would be net before taxes, wouldn't it?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you assist your sister financially for board and so forth?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir; we was working together, my brother-in-law and I.

Mr. Hubert.

What I mean was were you able to save any money?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I didn't save any money there.

Mr. Hubert.

You did not. You stayed there about 7 months?

Mr. Crafard.

About 7 months.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you go then?

Mr. Crafard.

Then I went back out home.

Mr. Hubert.

That is to say where?

Mr. Crafard.

TO Dallas, Oreg.

Mr. Hubert.

At the time you made the move then from the home of your sister to Dallas, Oreg., how much money did you have then?

Mr. Crafard.

About $150, enough to go out there.

Mr. Hubert.

Is it fair to state that you had spent all the money you had earned by working plus a good part of the savings or the money you had received from the Army?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

So that upon arrival at your parent's home in Dallas, Oreg., you had approximately $150.

Mr. Crafard.

I was almost broke when I arrived home.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have any other type of property?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you fix the time of your arrival back in Dallas, Oreg.?

Mr. Crafard.

It would have been in March of 1960.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. How long did you stay there?

Mr. Crafard.

My main residence then up until this last fall has been Dallas, Oreg. I have done a lot of traveling around.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you do to support yourself from the time you returned to your parents in March 1960?

Mr. Crafard.

I went to work in the fruit----

Mr. Hubert.

In the fruit what?

Mr. Crafard.

In the fruit, picking fruit. Then I went to work in a cannery. Then I was gone for a while and I worked with the carnivals when I was gone.

Mr. Hubert.

I think we had better get some details about that. How long did you work with the fruit industry?

Mr. Crafard.

Probably right around a month.

Mr. Hubert.

That would have been in the spring of 1960?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Then you went to the cannery?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you work there?