Mr. Hubert.

Penitentiary?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Which one?

Mr. Crafard.

New Ionia State Penitentiary.

Mr. Hubert.

What State is that in?

Mr. Crafard.

Michigan.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know what offense he has been convicted of?

Mr. Crafard.

As far as I know, B and E, breaking and entering at night.

Mr. Hubert.

How long has he been in the penitentiary?

Mr. Crafard.

About 7 months, I believe, now.

Mr. Hubert.

What term is he serving?

Mr. Crafard.

Two-and-a-half to fifteen.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. Go on to the next sister.

Mr. Crafard.

Norma Lee Crafard.

Mr. Hubert.

Who is she married to?

Mr. Crafard.

Owen Neal.

Mr. Hubert.

N-e-a-I?

Mr. Crafard.

N-e-a-1.

Mr. Hubert.

Where do they live?

Mr. Crafard.

Dallas, Oreg.

Mr. Hubert.

Do they live together?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Do they have children?

Mr. Crafard.

They have two children.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. What is

Mr. Crafard.

Alice LaLaine Crafard.

Mr. Hubert.

What is her husband's name?

Mr. Crafard.

She is not married. She lives with my parents.

Mr. Hubert.

How old is she?

Mr. Crafard.

She is 17.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you had any brothers or sisters who have died?

Mr. Crafard.

I have one brother that died.

Mr. Hubert.

What was his name?

Mr. Crafard.

Gary Harold Crafard.

Mr. Hubert.

How old was he when he died?

Mr. Crafard.

Nine years old.

Mr. Hubert.

When did he die?

Mr. Crafard.

1954, I believe it was.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, you have told us where and when you were born. Now, I ask you where you were born?

Mr. Crafard.

Farwell, Mich.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you live there after your birth?

Mr. Crafard.

I am not sure of the length of time we lived right there. We lived around Farwell for 4 years, right around there.

Mr. Hubert.

After those 4 years where did you go?

Mr. Crafard.

Went to California.

Mr. Hubert.

What part?

Mr. Crafard.

San Joaquin Valley.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you stay there?

Mr. Crafard.

Approximately 6 years.

Mr. Hubert.

That is until you were about 10 years old?

Mr. Crafard.

Ten years old.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you go to school there?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

How much schooling did you finish there?

Mr. Crafard.

First four grades.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember the particular place in San Joaquin Valley that you lived?

Mr. Crafard.

Well, I went to school at Woody, Calif., and Fairfax, Calif.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. After leaving those places, and particularly the Sat Joaquin Valley, where did you and your parents move to?

Mr. Crafard.

We moved back to Michigan.