Mr. Hubert.

Did you overhear that conversation?

Mr. Armstrong.

I remember it was a short conversation but Jack said he wasgoing to close the club up and Ralph said he was not going to close this place up----

Mr. Hubert.

How do you know he said that?

Mr. Armstrong.

Because he told me later on he did.

Mr. Hubert.

But, at the moment all you could hear was Jack saying to Ralph Paul--he was going to close the place up?

Mr. Armstrong.

Jack did say--he says, "You should close yours up too."

Mr. Hubert.

But you didn't hear Paul's answer?

Mr. Armstrong.

I did't hear his answer.

Mr. Hubert.

But later you understand from Paul that he told Jack he wasn't going to do so?

Mr. Armstrong.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

Who else did he call; do you know?

Mr. Armstrong.

No; I don't remember who else he called--he made five or six phone calls.

Mr. Hubert.

And you say he was crying----

Mr. Aamstrong.

At two or three stages he was crying there.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean when speaking to people or otherwise?

Mr. Armstrong.

When using the phone.

Mr. Hubert.

Only when speaking to people or when he was not speaking to people?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, he cried when he was speaking to me, after he had got off the phone.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you crying, too?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes; I was.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Jack indicate why he was crying?

Mr. Armstrong.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he say anything about how the death of the President would affect the business community of Dallas, and particularly the convention business here?

Mr. Armstrong.

I'm the one that mentioned it first.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you say?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, I said, "This will kill the business, conventionwise, and things probably will slow up quite a bit--drop off quite a bit." He said, "Yes; you've got a point." He said, "I think it will, too."

Mr. Hubert.

He wasn't angry at you for making that suggestion?

Mr. Armstrong.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

He agreed with you, in fact?
Mr. ARM STRONG. He agreed with me.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did he stay from the time he first came in, which you say was 5 minutes after you knew--after it had been announced that the President had been killed?

Mr. Armstrong.

I would say he stayed there an hour; approximately an hour.

Mr. Hubert.

And most of the time, you think, he was on the phone?

Mr. Armstrong.

Most of the time on the phone.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he get any calls from anybody?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes; he got some; the phone rang a couple of times, and also the pay phone rang a couple of times; some of the girls called him.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you answer it?

Mr. Armstrong.

I answered the pay phone and he answered the business phone.

Mr. Hubert.

And what did you all tell the girls; what were they asking about?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, they were just asking, "Did you hear the news?"

Mr. Hubert.

Did you tell them then that the clubs would be closed?

Mr. Armstrong.

Not then.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, can you fix about what time Jack left?

Mr. Armstrong.

No; I can't.

Mr. Hubert.

You said it was about I hour after you heard of the death of the President, or i hour and 5 minutes, and if you think that estimate is wrong, say so---I mean anybody can be wrong in an estimate.