Mr. Hubert.

In any case, within 5 minutes after you heard that the President was dead, Jack came in?

Mr. Armstrong.

He came in.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he know then that the President was dead?

Mr. Armstrong.

He knew.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he say so?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, he was---he didn't say anything--he just got on the telephone. No, he said something about, "It's a shame." He kept saying, "It's a shame," like that and he got on the telephone and he was crying.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know who he was speaking to on the telephone?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, he spoke to his sister, he spoke to---he made some long distance phone calls, I think one to his brother Earl.

Mr. Hubert.

How do you know that?

Mr. Armstrong.

He made one because it was--I could tell--I could usually tell when he was usually talking to his brother Earl.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he speak to Earl very often?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, during that month of November he had spoken to him quite often about some business deal he was trying to get him to go into.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know the nature of that business deal?

Mr. Armstrong.

Twist boards, I think it was.

Mr. Hubert.

You overheard the conversation?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes, on this particular day?

Mr. Hubert.

No, I mean on the previous occasions?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes, some of them.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you gather from what you heard Ruby say on the Dallas end of the line when he was talking to his brother Earl that he was trying to interest him in investing in the twist board invention?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, no---not on this day. On the other days--he didn't say anything about the twist board this day.

Mr. Hubert.

I understand, I'm talking about the other day.

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, usually, I knew he was going to talk to him, he would say, "I'm going to call Earl," and he would ask for Earl's phone number which was on a pad there by the phone. He would ask me or he would get it himself.

Mr. Hubert.

What was this twist-board business about?

Mr. Armstrong.

It was trying to promote a twist board, trying to get it to go over like the hula hula or something like that.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know if he was trying to interest anyone else in that?

Mr. Armstrong.

I know he sent some brochures and things like that to other people, but I don't recall who.

Mr. Hubert.

From what you were able to hear during those various conversations between Jack and Earl Ruby, during the month of November, was Earl interested?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, yes and no. You could say he was interested in--for hoping it would be a good deal for Jack's benefit, but I don't think he was too interested in investing any money but if he would have to, I believe he would.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Jack tell you all that?

Mr. Armstrong.

In a way he did.

Mr. Hubert.

How do you mean "in a way"?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, in other words, he said that Earl might invest money.

Mr. Hubert.

So, your statement about whether Earl was interested or not is based upon two factors, I suppose, and correct me if I am wrong--was---one is that you could hear Jack's end of the conversation?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And the other is that Ruby told you some things about it?

Mr. Armstrong.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

And the net result was that Earl wasn't too interested in it, but might be for Jack's sake?

Mr. Armstrong.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that a fair statement?

Mr. Armstrong.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

Who else did Jack call, do you know?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, he called Ralph Paul.