Mr. Armstrong.

Oh, nothing much--you see you--she would call you and forget what she called you for, or, just to talk about her troubles.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it about the business. of the Carousel?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, no, just about her troubles--just to talk about her troubles. She will call me, if she needed anything fixed, she wanted me to tell Howard to stop over and do some repair work for her. I have called her about something I might need for a second night and I couldn't get it and if she had it I would send someone out for it or she would send it over to me, and things of that nature, but the biggest part of the time she called me was when she and Jack were in a row with each other.

Mr. Hubert.

Did that happen very often?

Mr. Armstrong.

They both--she would cry on my shoulder and he would cry on my shoulder about each other.

Mr. Hubert.

Did that happen very often?

Mr. Armstrong.

Very often.

Mr. Hubert.

How often during the time you were there and until the assassination?

Mr. Armstrong.

Every other week I would say.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I don't want to pin you down to anything mathematical, but during the period of 18 months, that's pretty often.

Mr. Armstrong.

I would say so.

Mr. Hubert.

You are talking about something like that would be 70 weeks roughly, and 18 months, and every other week would be about 35 times they had rows you know of?

Mr. Armstrong.

I would say about 35 times, if that's the way the calculation is there.

Mr. Hubert.

How did these rows come to your attention?

Mr. Armstrong.

Because they would always tell me. If it was something she didn't want to do---if it was something she wanted to do and he didn't want to do it, a lot of times it would maybe happen on the telephone from the club. It was sometimes----difference of opinions, about something.

Mr. Hubert.

Apparently they patched those things up too, didn't they?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, apparently--they would always be back on good terms--it was just like, well, they were before, on the same key. In other words, Jack would get riled up and you will think he was going to walk off of this building and the next minute he was just as sweet as he could be and she was the same way.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the relationship of the club and Jack to the police department and the individual members of it?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, I think that the club had a good record and as far as policemen--there was no relation. There was not ever any certain policemen come into the club. We had patrolmen stop in for coffee sometimes, never the same one hardly ever.

Mr. Hubert.

Would they be in uniform?

Mr. Armstrong.

In uniform--just like they do all the other clubs, and you would have the vice stopping in just like they do the rest of the clubs, walking around, looking around, never sit down.

Mr. Hubert.

Wasn't there some special arrangement with reference to what they would be charged?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, the policemen always paid the same price as news-men and their boys, which was 40 cents on beer, policemen, bellboys, hotel clerks and things like that and newsmen.

Mr. Hubert.

They all had a cut rate?

Mr. Armstrong.

They all had a cut rate.

Mr. Hubert.

That was true of members of the vice squad too?

Mr. Armstrong.

That included members of the vice squad. Of course, I never seen any members of the vice squad take anything to drink, any beer or anything like that.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you mentioned one particular member of the vice squad called Gilmore?

Mr. Armstrong.

Mr. Gilmore.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us about him?