(Testimony of Andrew , Jr. Armstrong)
Mr. Armstrong.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Hubert.
So that there were lots of times he was never around there?
Mr. Armstrong.
Right.
Mr. Hubert.
How often do you suppose you have seen him?
Mr. Armstrong.
Quite often.
Mr. Hubert.
More than the 15 or 20 times that you saw him at the club?
Mr. Armstrong.
Well, he was at the club lots of times when he was not working.
Mr. Hubert.
The 18 or 20 times--you mean were the times he worked?
Mr. Armstrong.
Right.
Mr. Hubert.
He was at the club more often than that?
Mr. Armstrong.
Right.
Mr. Hubert.
How often, as a matter of fact?
Mr. Armstrong.
Oh, once or twice a week, I would say.
Mr. Hubert.
What would he do then?
Mr. Armstrong.
Oh, just come in and have a beer.
Mr. Hubert.
Did he stay around a long time?
Mr. Armstrong.
And visit with friends.
Mr. Hubert.
Would he stay around a long time and go home with Jack?
Mr. Armstrong.
Lots of times he was there when I left, and lots of times he left before I left, and I have seen him lots of times working, you know, he had this Texas Postcard thing and I would see him downtown. As a matter of fact, I helped him move the postcards from where from some place out in Highland Park over to Cedar Springs here.
Mr. Hubert.
Do you know anything about his relationship in a sexual way toward men?
Mr. Armstrong.
No; I sure don't.
Mr. Hubert.
In your own opinion, you wouldn't think he would be classified as a homosexual?
Mr. Armstrong.
No.
Mr. Hubert.
He showed no traits such as you recognize them on homosexuality?
Mr. Armstrong.
None whatsoever.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you know Eva Grant?
Mr. Armstrong.
Yes, sir; in a sort of a way.
Mr. Hubert.
Well, tell us what sort of way?
Mr. Armstrong.
Well, I have talked to her on the telephone more times than I have seen her--a number of times more than I have seen her.
Mr. Hubert.
How many times do you suppose you have seen her in the 18 months you have worked there prior to Jack's arrest?
Mr. Armstrong.
Fifty times, I guess.
Mr. Hubert.
You talked to her on the telephone far more that 50 times--3 or 4 times more?
Mr. Armstrong.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
Where did you see her when you usually saw her?
Mr. Armstrong.
The first time I saw her was at the Vegas Club.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you work at the Vegas, too?
Mr. Armstrong.
No.
Mr. Hubert.
Tell us what you know about the ownership and operation of the Vegas?
Mr. Armstrong.
Nothing; not a thing.
Mr. Hubert.
Did Jack have any interest in it that you heard of--I know you wouldn't know about any books or anything like that.
Mr. Armstrong.
Well, he told me he owned the club.
Mr. Hubert.
That's what I mean--so far as what you know about it, you got from him, and that was to the effect that he owned it?
Mr. Armstrong.
That he owned it--right.
Mr. Hubert.
What did you know about the relationship of Eva Grant to the Vegas Club.
Mr. Armstrong.
That she was just running the club. She was his sister and she was taking care of the club.
Mr. Hubert.
Did Jack go over there very often?
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