Mr. Hubert.

Then, both Paul and Ruby told you that Paul had a financial interest in it?

Mr. Armstrong.

Jack told me that he didn't have no financial interest in the club.

Mr. Hubert.

Paul told you that he did, but Jack told you that he did not?

Mr. Armstrong.

Jack told me that Ralph Paul had a financial interest in the club, but he, himself, did not.

Mr. Hubert.

Oh, that Jack himself did not?

Mr. Armstrong.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, did you--did he tell you whether Paul was the only one who had a financial interest, or were there other people?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, he said that it was this Mr. Paul and one of his brothers.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he say which one?

Mr. Armstrong.

Sam Ruby, I think, he said.

Mr. Hubert.

The one that lives in Dallas?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever see him around there?

Mr. Armstrong.

Once once or twice he came down to help out--once he came down to help out and he came in two other times that I remember.

Mr. Hubert.

So, in other words, Jack denied that he had any interest in the Carousel?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes, sir; right.

Mr. Hubert.

What was his relationship, then, to the Carousel?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, as manager only.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he get a salary, do you know?

Mr. Armstrong.

He said he got a salary, but I don't know how much.

Mr. Hubert.

Other than the two or three times that Sam Ruby came in, did you ever see him?

Mr. Armstrong.

Did I ever see Sam Ruby?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Armstrong.

No; I never saw him.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever see Ralph, other than the times you saw him at the club?

Mr. Armstrong.

Never did.
Mx. HUBERT. Did you ever hear of the S&R Corp.?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

What was your understanding of the relationship between that corporation and the Carousel?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, it was known aS the S&R Corp. doing business as the Carousel, is the way the thing was supposed to be, and as far as the corporation was concerned, I understand that Ralph Paul was president, Sam Ruby was secretary-vice president and there was somebody else who was--well, I believe Sam Ruby was secretary-treasurer, and Jack was the manager, or something like that at one time, and then at another time, Jack wasn't even the manager.

Mr. Hubert.

When was that?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, it was after all this happened.

Mr. Hubert.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Armstrong.

We were trying to find the Corporation papers and he took his name off as being manager of the corporation.

Mr. Hubert.

Did George Senator work at the Carousel?

Mr. Armstrong.

Sometimes he did.

Mr. Hubert.

How often?

Mr. Armstrong.

Oh, I would say he had been there 15 or 20 times working as a doorman.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, do you mean 15 or 20 times during the 18 months you were there?

Mr. Armstrong.

During the 18 months that I was there.

Mr. Hubert.

That would be about once a month?

Mr. Armstrong.

About once but I think it mostly came in a short period of time when he had worked there.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, the 15 or 18 or 20 times he did come was not on an average of once a month, but in a sequence of days?