Mr. Graves.

Well, the captain told us that he would be transferred in a car.

Mr. Graves.

Captain Fritz told you that?

Mr. Graves.

Yes; and at first he wanted to talk to him some more, so, we brought him down to the office so he could be interviewed.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Captain Fritz tell you what kind of a car he was going to be transferred in?

Mr. Graves.

Yes; we understood it was going to be a regular police car like we use, plain cars.

Mr. Griffin.

How long before you got Oswald down did you get this information?

Mr. Graves.

Oh, it couldn't have been but a few minutes, at least.

Mr. Griffin.

Where were you told this?

Mr. Graves.

In the hallway, or office there.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall now whether you were in that homicide office or the hallway?

Mr. Graves.

I believe I was in the hallway when I heard it.

Mr. Griffin.

How many other officers were standing around at that time?

Mr. Graves.

Oh, I don't remember really. Probably two or three or four.

Mr. Griffin.

How close was Captain Fritz to you when you heard this?

Mr. Graves.

As close as you and I are.

Mr. Griffin.

We have a table separating us.

Mr. Graves.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

6-foot, about a 6-foot table, isn't it? Was he talking only to you, or talking to the other officers?

Mr. Graves.

Generally to all of us.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, at this time, were there newspaper people in the area?

Mr. Graves.

I don't believe. At the moment, I don't believe any newsmen were in there at the time.

Mr. Griffin.

This is-not in the hallway?

Mr. Graves.

No, I mean this little hallway in our bureau--comes from the front entrance. You know, you have been there.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes, I have.

Mr. Graves.

See, there is a little hallway that comes around----

Mr. Griffin.

You are talking about the hallway that, as you open the door off the third floor hallway?

Mr. Graves.

No, I am talking about the hallway between the little office and captain's office.

Mr. Griffin.

For the record, about how far were you from the third floor hallway when this conversation took place?

Mr. Graves.

25 feet, approximately.

Mr. Griffin.

And do you remember the other officers who were standing around at the time?

Mr. Graves.

Well, Leavelie and Montgomery for sure. I don't know who else right now. Beck--Dhority and Beck both could have been in there. I am not sure about that.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did this conversation with Captain Fritz last?

Mr. Graves.

Just long enough to say that--"We are going to get him down and talk to him, and get the car ready in the basement." Told Dhority and Brown what to do about the cars, also Beck, and so, we went up and got him and brought him down.

Mr. Griffin.

At the time that you were instructed to go up and bring down Oswald, were Dhority and Brown given instructions by Fritz about the automobiles?

Mr. Graves.

I'm going to have to say that I am not sure whether it was at that moment, or after we brought him down, and I kind of believe that it was then that they got the cars ready and put them in the basement, and that at the last minute just before we took him down, we were instructed to move that car up there to the entrance exit of the jail office, and I am pretty sure that that is the way that went.

Mr. Griffin.

We11, now, just directing your attention to the time that you were instructed to go up and bring Oswald down for interrogation, what other conversation do you remember taking place with Fritz?