Mr. Walker.

Well, about four of us pointed at him at the same time in the truck. I mean, we all recognized him at the same time.

Mr. Hubert.

As being the man?

Mr. Walker.

That had come to the truck.

Mr. Hubert.

It is your thought that that man who had peeked through the window had done so only a matter of minutes before, or would it have been an hour?

Mr. Walker.

I can't say. I don't know.

Mr. Hubert.

But as you sit here now, your best impression is that--better still, your opinion is that the man who did look through that window and asked you, "Have they brought him down yet?" was Jack Ruby?

Mr. Walker.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

As a matter of fact, you have confirmed that a number of times, to wit, almost immediately after when you saw the mug shots on TV, and then at least on two other occasions when you looked in through the window in the courtroom, and again when you were face to face with him in the courtroom?

Mr. Walker.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Is there any possibility that your seeing him as you have described it through the window, could have been on the previous day?

Mr. Walker.

No. He may have been there, but I don't remember him.

Mr. Hubert.

This event that you are talking about did not take place on the previous day?

Mr. Walker.

No. I have heard people say that he was on, that they had seen him. on the sidewalk, but I did not, to my knowledge. There were so many people; a lot of people asked questions, and most of the time I say, "I don't know," hoping they will go on.

Mr. Hubert.

As I understand, the thing that makes it certain in your mind that he was Jack Ruby is because of the association of the face that peered to you in the window and the mug shots that came through the camera right after?

Mr. Walker.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

The two link together in your mind?

Mr. Walker.

That is the only thing. I would not have remembered him if it had not been for the mug shots. There were so many people, there is no way I believe that I could have remembered him. And if he hadn't come back to the window the second time, I might not have linked it with the mug shots.

Mr. Hubert.

How much time was there, do you think, between the two times?

Mr. Walker.

I don't know. I really don't. I wish I could help but anything I'd say would be a wild guess.

Mr. Hubert.

Mr. Walker, I want to show you a report of an interview that was had of you by FBI Agents Earle Haley and Robley D. Madland on December 4, 1963, which I have marked for identification as Fort Worth, Tex., April 15, 1964, Exhibit 5315, deposition of Ira Walker, under which I have signed my name. I would like you to read it, sir, after which I am going to ask you if there are any errors or any corrections you want to make, anything that has been omitted, or modifications that you believe to be necessary.

Mr. Walker.

[Reading report.]
No. I wasn't the one that said, "I saw him between 7:30 and 8 a.m."

Mr. Hubert.

That FBI report which has been identified as 5315, contains the statement in the middle paragraph reading as follows, to wit:
"Walker said that on the morning of November 24, that the first time he recalled seeing Jack Ruby was shortly before the mobile unit was set up, which would have been between 7:30 and 8 a.m. Walker said that he first saw Ruby shortly after the armored truck was backed into the basement of the Police Department." Now would you address your comments to that statement, Mr. Walker?

Mr. Walker.

I believe one of the other boys said he saw him between 7:30 and 8, but it was not me because I don't remember seeing him. But as far as the association with the armored truck, now the armored truck was not backed into there until around 10:30.

Mr. Hubert.

Your thought is that when you saw Ruby the first time----

Mr. Walker.

Was after 10:30.

Mr. Hubert.

Was after the armored truck was backed in?