Mr. Smite.

where all the interrogation was taking place and all, and this person was just standing there looking at the cables and inquisitive, maybe.

Mr. Hubert.

Was there a crowd of people around there?

Mr. Smith.

No, sir; not at this time of day.

Mr. Hubert.

How was he dressed, do you know?

Mr. Smith.

Now here this probably conflicts with anything you heard, but I am talking about a particular person, and one that I saw had on a light grey topcoat and a light grey hat, shabby appearance, not neat, you know.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you notice whether he had a tie on?

Mr. Smith.

No, sir. I was looking at him from a quarter.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you get a full view of him?

Mr. Smith.

No, sir; not at this time. It is the type of person that we see often when we go out on an early morning remote. It is the person that is walking the street with no place to go. That is what he impressed me as being. And it kind of fit in that he was just standing looking up at these cables and doing nothing more than that.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you observe him do anything else?

Mr. Smith.

Not at that time.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you hear him say anything?

Mr. Smith.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see that same person later?

Mr. Smith.

Yes. Now here this is probably a more inaccurate guess than the other as to time, but it was later in the morning. At least an hour or maybe an hour and a half later than that. We were at a break and I was sitting in the back of the truck, and to the best of my knowledge, Walker was in there, but it was during the time when you are not rehearsing and you are not on a standby condition. You are relaxed and you are not familiar with this old truck, but I will try to picture to you that it is an enclosed thing. It is kept rather dark for the picture's sake, and i.t gets warm in there. And sometime I will open these curtains or turn on the fan and get a little ventilation. This happens even in the wintertime. And I lowered the curtain on my side and there stood this same man there.

Mr. Hubert.

There can be no doubt in your mind that that was the same man you had seen earlier?

Mr. Smith.

That's right. Now this is the same particular person that I am talking about. They are one and the same. Same coat and same hat and same everything. And when I opened the curtain, this man is no tess than 2 feet from the truck here, and he is standing there very nonchalantly, you know, and he says, "Have they brought Oswald down yet?"

Mr. Hubert.

Was there a glass window between you and this man?

Mr. Smith.

It wasn't pulled to. It was open.

Mr. Hubert.

It was open?

Mr. Smith.

It is a sliding, double-sliding window.

Mr. Hubert.

Then you had a full-face view of him?

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And that you were not in excess of 3 feet from him?

Mr. Smith.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

Your face and his face were not separated by more than 3 feet at that point?

Mr. Smith.

That is true.

Mr. Hubert.

You heard him say, "Have they brought down Oswald yet?"

Mr. Smith.

"Have they brought Oswald down?" Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did anyone answer him?

Mr. Smith.

I did. I don't know how to explain it. You see, my first reaction was one of a Joke, you know. Here we were all sitting around here for days waiting for this news story to develop, and a man asks you have they brought Oswald down yet, and to me I am thinking if they had brought him down and taken him to the county building, why would we be here? And I started my answer like, "What do you think?" And then he repeated his question again, "Have they brought him down?" And he didn't call his name the second time, like it was understood.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, he really asked twice? The first time he used