Mr. Leavelle.

is in order." Because we had been given to understand that the car would be across the passageway.

Mr. Hubert.

Of the jail corridor?

Mr. Leavelle.

And that---and we would have nothing to do but walk straight from the door, approximately 13 or 14 feet to the car and then Captain Fritz--when we asked him to give us the high sign on it he said, "Everything is all set."

Mr. Hubert.

Did you notice what time it was?

Mr. Leavelle.

No; I did not. That is the only error that I can see. The captain should have known that the car was not in the position it.should be, and I was surprised when I walked to the door and the car was not in the spot it should have been, but I could see it was in back, and backing into position, but had it been in position where we were told it would be, that would have eliminated a lot of the area in which anyone would have access to him, because it would have been blocked by the car. In fact, if the car had been sitting where we were told it was going to be, see--it would have been sitting directly upon the spot where Ruby was standing when he fired the shot.

Mr. Hubert.

Of course, in that case the television cameras would have been blocked out?

Mr. Leavelle.

That's true.

Mr. Hubert.

The car was not pulled back because pulling it back would block the----

Mr. Leavelle.

That, I don't know. Of course, you are--according to one of my previous reports I earlier suggested to Captain Fritz that we make the suggestion to the chief that we take him out to the first floor and put him out at Main Street to a car and proceed to the county jail that way and leave them waiting in the basement and on Commerce Street, and we could be to the county jail before anyone knew what was taking place.

Mr. Hubert.

What time did you make that suggestion, sir?

Mr. Leavelle.

That was either just before or just after--probably just after I had gone there and got Oswald and we were talking about the transfer.

Mr. Hubert.

Who did you make that suggestion to?

Mr. Leavelle.

I made it to Captain Fritz.

Mr. Hubert.

What answer did you receive from him?

Mr. Leavelle.

Said he didn't think the chief would go for it.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he say why?

Mr. Leavelle.

Because, he said, the chief had given his word to the press that they would transfer him at a time when they could make pictures.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you convey that same idea to the chief, himself, or to anyone other than Fritz?

Mr. Leavelle.

Other than to Mr. Beck and Brown, Mr. Clardy that was there--Mr. Graves rather. They probably heard me make the suggestion. In fact, Mr. Beck made the suggestion at the same time that we could--I know that he was there, because he made the suggestion at the time, same time, said well, that we could either--instead of going out the Commerce Street, in front of all the people lined up, go out the basement in the opposite direction.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean even if you are going to use the basement, use the Main Street instead of Commerce Street?

Mr. Leavelle.

That's right; and he made that suggestion. Of course, Chief Curry had already given his word to the newsmen that they would transfer him and let them get the pictures, and I have just assumed since that the reason that the car wasn't in position like it was supposed to be was so that they could get the pictures, and the reason for not holding to the schedule previously outlined.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you spoken to the chief about that since?

Mr. Leavelle.

No; I have not.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you spoken to anybody about it, sir?

Mr. Leavelle.

No; I haven't spoke to anyone other than possibly just some of the officers making a remark, "If he had used my suggestion, that we would probably have made it."

Mr. Hubert.

You said that you had reported making that suggestion in one of the reports that you made?