Mr. Turner.

I don't know. I didn't get that far.

Mr. Hubert.

And he wore this trenchcoat all the time?

Mr. Turner.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

And carried the two bags?

Mr. Turner.

That's right, and he was walking around.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he hare any sort of accent in his speech?

Mr. Turner.

No; he had a typical Texan speech. I mean like myself, I have one, and he talked like a Texan. He didn't have----

Mr. Hubert.

Didn't have any foreign Recent?

Mr. Turner.

And, he did mention he had been a schoolteacher.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I want to go back for a minute to this matter of the position of Ruby of which you have marked on Exhibit 5080, at position "10."

Mr. Turner.

Correct, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

On the ,line, "A," "B," now, which shows him at position "10," he was moving, is that correct?

Mr. Turner.

That's right, he was slowly moving.

Mr. Hubert.

And his movement was from what direction?

Mr. Turner.

He was going forward.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, he was coming from what?

Mr. Turner.

From down the ramp.

Mr. Hubert.

Is there any possibility that his movement could have been through the rail at this point that I am marking?

Mr. Turner.

That's right, because it is--here is my opinion-----

Mr. Hubert.

At a point----

Mr. Turner.

Let's see. "11," "12," "14," "15."

Mr. Hubert.

Let's say approximately "15," by the rail?

Mr. Turner.

He could have come over the rail, because I didn't see him prior to that point.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, his movements were such that you couldn't say whether he came down the ramp, or came through the rail?

Mr. Turner.

That's right, sir, because I didn't see him far enough up the ramp to where it was enclosed.

Mr. Hubert.

And when you did see him it was beyond the point where the rail begins?

Mr. Turner.

I think I am too far back according to this. He would have--let's move "A," "B,"----

Mr. Hubert.

Well, let's put the second position that you have mentioned as "C," "D."

Mr. Turner.

According to your mockup, it is half way, approximately.

Mr. Hubert.

Just about.

Mr. Turner.

All right, I am a little----

Mr. Hubert.

Let's mark that "C," "D," so that now on second thought about it and looking at the mockup again, you want to have your previous testimony adjusted so that where you referred to Ruby at position "10," on line "A," "B," previously, you now think it was that he was on position "10," at line "C," "D"?

Mr. Turner.

Correct, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And you do that because you place him at the point where the ramp begins to go up?

Mr. Tuner.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, using this scale, which appears on the mockup, I would ask you to verify this with me.

Mr. Turner.

All right.

Mr. Hubert.

That the incline begins almost exactly 13 feet----

Mr. Turner.

Beyond the rail, I mean where the star of the rail is.

Mr. Hubert.

Thirteen feet from the start of the rail on the Main Street ramp?

Mr. Turner.

That's right, sir, this would be our location here where he eventually----

Mr. Hubert.

Therefore, am I correct in saying there was approximately 13 feet of rail through which Ruby could have come prior to the time you saw him at position number "10"?